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Msg. #3595 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/02/91 at 11:39:20 To: Randy Brown From: Ralph Merritt Subject: MSDN > Ralph, Have you received my netmails and application concerning > joining MSDN? > > I sent them to 269/102. Should I have sent them elsewhere? Ack, I am delinquent in reading my netmail on /102. I'll go extract it from the netmail message area and forward it to Duncan. I believe your in a region we don't have anyone participating in yet... can you call here (269/111) for the files? Using MacTick, could you forward files to others? Ralph --- * Origin: Dragon's MailBox (1:269/111) Msg. #3596 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/01/91 at 16:11:58 To: Mark Smith From: Chip Old Subject: RE: NUP In a reply to me dated 28 Aug 91, you wrote: CO> As we speak, I am waiting for info on "QMSight" (the CO> QuickMail/Second Sight bridge) from Information Electronics > MS> Chip, could you post information Electronics phone and address. MS> I'm interested in finding out more about this QMSight product. Glad to oblige. The Address is: Information Electronics 15 Catherwood Road #8, Suite 178 Ithaca, NY 14850 Phone: (607) 257-5840 The current CE Software catalog lists many third-party makers of QuickMail bridges and gateways. It's amazing what you can connect to via QuickMail if you have the right add-on software. Information Electronics also makes a UUCP\QM bridge, which raises the interesting possibility of a two-step gate from Second Sight to QuickMail to UUCP. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: CRABBS Point 2, Cub Hill, Maryland, USA (1:261/1053.2) Msg. #3597 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 08/31/91 at 19:53:14 To: Joel Bowers From: Jeff Masud Subject: RE: Re: HERMES BBS SYSOP JB> USRobotics Courier 14400 HST Dual Standard Settings... JB> B0 C1 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X7 JB> BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 JB> DIAL=HUNT ON HOOK TIMER JB> &A1 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H2 &I5 &K1 &L0 JB> &M4 &N0 &P0 &R1 &S0 &T5 &X0 &Y1 %R0 JB> I do not have the modem rate locked in tabby maintenance and have 19200 JB> set. My daily mail keeps growing larger and I keep having less chance to JB> grab it without excessive errors on a noisy line at 2400, since I always JB> fail to connect at 14000 with my host's HST but can connect to his other JB> modem. JB> I am getting good mail connections to my other host (326/101) at 9600 JB> though. JB> --- Tabby 2.2 If I understand what you said, is exactly what I've got a fix for, go into your tabby and in your modem init string for your HST (u've got the new v32bis/HST modem which returns CONNECT 14400, which tabby blows out right?) Well what you do is add X0 to your init string, that will replace the X7 which you use now, that is full connect codes. It's not quite as nice, but you will be able to connect to ANYBODY! But understand one thing, instead of the connected baud rate, using X0 only returns CONNECT and no baud, so Tabby will think your connecting at 300 buad, which is a joke, but as long as your term speed is locked at 19.2k like you mentioned, all will be okay. If you have a questsion, e-mail me... Jeff Masud Sysop of NymphoZit --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NymphoZit / ZitNet Central! / CA_USA / KillUrMind (1:103/115) Msg. #3604 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 06:18:10 To: Matthew De Jongh From: Greg Staie Subject: RE: VALHALLA MD> There is a user on my board, Lewis Stead, who uses, "Valhalla- where old MD> gods go" I can certainly identify with that one, as I am 43 and that is pretty old in this realm. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Mac Valhalla BBS-Tujunga, CA/818-951-4445 HST-DS (1:102/942) Msg. #3605 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/01/91 at 09:53:33 To: Eric Larson From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: MacTick file name problems - MSDN el> WRONG. When on a PC, the file HAS to be in Macbinary format. I guess I don't understand. According to Jonathan, who downloaded and they FREQed the same file from my BBS, the one that Tabby processed in the FREQ was SMALLER than the downloaded one. They are obviously not the same. If he posted each on on his BBS for download, which one would his Macintosh users be able to use without additional processing? el> BTW, .BIN is not Binhex, which is a binary -> 7 bit encoding used el> for sending fies to systems that do not support 8 bit file el> transfers. MacBinary is an encoding method used for el> transport/storage environments el> that do not support multiple extents (say, resource and data el> forks) per file. I think I understand this. The problem remains: when I send a file to a DOS system via MacTick and Tabby, the file name changes and gets a ".BIN" extension. This does not go away (like it does on a Mac system when we use ArcMail Extract). The TIC file has conflicting information and the file just sits on the DOS system. When I receive a file from a DOS system using Tick and its mailer, there's no ".BIN" problem. Instead, the WHOLE file name comes out (the Mac file name, up to 31 characters, etc.) and THAT doesn't match the TIC file either. The result is an invalid file. I understand John's suggestion to run MacTick BEFORE ArcMail Extract, but what if the files come sometimes from a Mac System and sometimes from a DOS system? And I DON'T want to run MacTick in every event because I only get files once every few days. Is there anyone else out there who regularly feeds and gets files from both Macintosh and DOS systems with Tick and Tabby? I'd like to hear how you're coping with it. I'm obviously missing something very important! :-( --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #3606 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/01/91 at 10:03:39 To: Bruce Tomlin From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: MacTick file name problems - MSDN BT> If the file on your macintosh can be double-clicked and run, (or BT> shows a StuffIt or Compactor icon), then it has lost its envelope. BT> If you have to run BinHex or a similar program manually, then it BT> has not lost its envelope. Very well explained and I follow you completely. Thanks. BT> The ONLY solutions are: BT> BT> 1) originally name the file in a DOS compatibile way and give the BT> "envelope" the same name. I understand the first half of that sentence and have suggested the same thing. Then I found that that was indeed the rule in an early version of the MSDN Policy. And THEN Duncan said that the full file name should be the same one the author gave it. So that's out. As for the second half of the sentence, HOW do I specify what the envelope name should be? What program does that? Hatch doesn't seem to....unless that's what that "Magic Name" stuff is about....? BT> 2) find some way to prevent the MacBinary "envelope" from being BT> thrown away. The disadvantage of this is that you will lose the BT> ability to double click it on your own machine. (But callers of BT> your BBS might still be able to download it as a Macintosh file, BT> depending on the BBS software) It would show BT> up in the file listings with a DOS compatible file name, though. By preventing the envelope from being thrown away, I assume you mean either not running ArcMail Extract or running it AFTER TIC. That adds a lot of work for the MSDN SysOp because he/she has to further process the file manually (with BinFix or the like) before making it available for users. BT> The problem, in my opinion, should be handled by MacTick in some BT> way. Whether MacTick is the program throwing away "envelopes" and BT> adding ".BIN" suffixes or not, it should still be MacTick's BT> responsiblity to handle things correctly. I agree entirely. Although MacTick does some of the job, it falls way short of the mark. I know this is a complex situation, but there are a limited number of solutions. They should be programmed into MacTick. Heck, I'm the last system from the end of a distribution chain. I pass files to one system. I could MANUALLY pass these files along with less trouble. But I'm also a hatch site and want to do my part right -- with a minimum of additional effort on the part of the DOS system I feed. The DOS boys already have a low opinion of Mac BBS and Mailer software -- lets not make it worse!!! --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #3607 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/02/91 at 07:41:05 To: Kenneth Grimard From: Scott Christensen Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Kenneth Grimard writes in a message to Maria Langer on 31 Aug 91 KG> Where does on get this utility? I could really use it. I do not KG> care for the node compiler. Be aware that AutoNodes _only_ compiles the nodelist at this time. It will not deal with the MacList or any private list that you have. AutoNodes is a Tabby event compatible utility which automatically updates the Fidonet nodelist and compiles the Tabby Nodes file. AutoNodes is $10. Send the money to: Chriss Koch 5325 Red Sky Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80915 Please specify whether you would like to receive AutoNodes as a file attachment to your BBS (if so include node number), or if you would like to receive it on floppy disk in the mail. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3608 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/01/91 at 18:44:15 To: Maria Langer From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: MacTick Up Maria Langer writes in a message to John Gillett on 28 Aug 91 ML> My problem is that I can send files to Mac Systems, but when ML> I send a file to a DOS system, the name gets changed to a ".BIN" ML> extension and the DOS system's Tick program doesn't know what ML> to do with it. Someone must have this problem solved because ML> there are plenty of DOS/Mac connections out there.... Maria - If I can throw in 2cents worth - Instead of, say, COMPACT.SEA, name it COMPACT.BIN, and see what happens ... <B-) RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3609 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/01/91 at 18:51:52 To: Eric Larson From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: Hermes sysop? eric larson writes in a message to Ralph Wade Phillips on 28 Aug 91 > YMODEM/G is just about the fastest raw protocol out there, period. > Of course, if the data yields to RLE type encoding, ZModem-90 might > outrun YMODEM/G, at that .. EL> Chuck Forsberg claims ZModem-90 is faster than YModem-G, even EL> without RLE. He ought to know. Eric - Yep. So he claims. However, how can ZModem-90 be faster than YModem-G, when YModem-G only adds 3 bytes per 1024 for CRC - and, a fast transmission can send it at the basal communications rate (i.e., 240cps at 2400 bps, 960 cps at a simple 9600 bps, and almost 1200 cps on a 9600 bps MNP3/MNP4/V.42 link ... ) Phil Becker has done quite extensive testing. According to his findings, we can get 960 cps with YModem-G, and 955 or so with ZModem-90, on a 9600 bps direct link, including the CRC overhead. Forsberg trusts Phil's code good enough, that the ASSEMBLY Zmodem-90 code comes from Phil, !NOT! Forsberg ... <B-) RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3610 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/02/91 at 23:00:00 To: Scott Christensen From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone > FYI: I also note that they seem to be appropriating Michael > Connick's Tabby echo. Well, there are a couple of things here: * 396/13 is the Bob Nordling's NOMUG BBS and it's right down there with 396/1 (John Souvestre's Southern Star -- he and George Peace [13/13] are the core of the backbone) So it's not unreasonable for any echo requested by 396/13 to be carried by 396/1 (that's how I got MACNETCOM at least) * I heard the other day that the backbone is at 490 echos out of a technical maximum of 512 (because that's the maximum supported by QM) They can't go snatching up non-backbone echos onto the echo for much longer... at least not until they either kick some off first or get a version of QM that supports more echos. :) --- * Origin: Recycle Fidonet -- send more dupes! (1:387/555) Msg. #3611 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/02/91 at 10:34:31 To: Ray Leninger From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: TABBY UTILITIES RL> MT> Is this [Pete Johnson's Flip] a SS specific utility, RL> RL> It's a plain ole Tabby utility that'll work with any BBS software. It RL> sends any files you designate (such as MacList, NodeDiff, etc) to go to RL> any node you want. Flip keeps track of which files have already been sent RL> so that NodeDiff.235 or whatever doesn't get sent twice. File names are RL> recorded by the beginning so that any file starting with the characters in RL> you list will be sent. John Sinteur's FileTrix is sorta similar, only the users can turn the files on/off, it seems a bit more flexible in some things. It's a lot like RAID on the MessyDos machines. Either way it is great to be able to send files automagically to your Points. Not bad at all! jason --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Dust from the *StarLine*! 215-635-2341! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3612 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 07:42:52 To: Maria Langer From: John Gillett Subject: RE: MacTick file name problems - MSDN ML> And I DON'T want to run MacTick in every event because I only get ML> files once every few days. Why not? I do here. It only takes a few seconds when there are no files to process, so there's no big loss. I'm now trying John's suggestion for moving Tick to before Extract. _Seems_ to be OK... ML> Is there anyone else out there who regularly feeds and gets files ML> from both Macintosh and DOS systems with Tick and Tabby? I'd like to ML> hear how you're coping with it. I'm obviously missing something very ML> important! I get from IBM with no trouble, but so far feed only Macs. Also have yet to receive any Mac files. John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3616 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 00:43:53 To: David Herren From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: Re: NUP > You don't need another phone line of QMSight if you have a network. > QMSight allows network users of QuickMail to access the Second Sight > message base. There is a dial-in feature of QM, but why dial in there when > you could dial in to SS and send mail to your QM net anyway? > =David I thought the beauty of QMSight was to allow QM users the ability to leave SS messages with their QM software. You will also want to have the QM phone line to connect to other services via AppleLink, GEnie etc... I do not believe that is possible with the second Sight system alone. -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3618 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 00:57:38 To: Randy Brown From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: Copy Cat > In a message to Michael Bean written on Thursday, August 15, 1991 at > < > 8:28:48 AM, Pete Johnson writes: > < > PJ> If you remind me a few times, I'll add resource fork copying to Copy Cat. > < > > Remind, Remind, Remind. Version 1.01 is out but it appears to stop after completeing the first copy script. This was experienced on a MacPlus in MF and Finder. Hopefully there will be a fix to it. > > I'm also reminding you that my copy of AreaTrix which I ordered hasn't come > yet. Is there a problem which I should be aware of? Pete, I have some AreaTrix disks mastered and labeled if you want me to send Randy one. Take care! -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3619 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 01:00:11 To: Chip Old From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: NUP > MS> Chip, could you post information Electronics phone and address. > MS> I'm interested in finding out more about this QMSight product. > > Glad to oblige. The Address is: > > Information Electronics > 15 Catherwood Road #8, Suite 178 > Ithaca, NY 14850 > Phone: (607) 257-5840 > > The current CE Software catalog lists many third-party makers of QuickMail > bridges and gateways. It's amazing what you can connect to via QuickMail if > you have the right add-on software. > > Information Electronics also makes a UUCP\QM bridge, which raises the > interesting possibility of a two-step gate from Second Sight to QuickMail to > UUCP. This was our goal. UUCP from SS would be a great bridge. -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3620 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 01:04:48 To: Maria Langer From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: MacTick file name problems - MSDN > Is there anyone else out there who regularly feeds and gets files from both > Macintosh and DOS systems with Tick and Tabby? I'd like to hear how you're > coping with it. I'm obviously missing something very important! > > :-( > I have sent a copy of your post to John S. on the internet hopefully we can find a fix... Thanks, -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3689 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/06/91 at 21:05:27 To: All From: Michael Bean Subject: MacTick... To: Maria Langer. Maria, your point about system receiving from both Mac and DOS systems is a valid one. The only solution is to have both Mac and DOS systems hatch in the same format. That's why I wrote HatchBin, which hatches in the MacBinary format, sending out files that should be understood by MacTick if it runs BEFORE ArcMail Extract. This way it doesn't matter anymore which system hatched the file. The 'normal' hatch program will probably go out of the package with the next release, 'forcing' all owners of Tick to hatch the same way, and allowing me to put into the manual that Tick must run BEFORE ArcMail Extract. -John --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #4053 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:38:04 To: Scott Christensen From: Chriss Koch Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER > I think with a bit more pressure, we could get Chriss to add those > features though Nah, that will never work. I've already tried. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #4054 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:42:31 To: Brad Ackerman From: Chriss Koch Subject: AutoNodes > Please tell me where I should send the money for AutoNodes, and remind > me how much it costs. It's 10 bucks. The address is: Chriss Koch 5325 Red Sky Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80915 --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #4055 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:44:00 To: Kenneth Grimard From: Chriss Koch Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER > Where does on get this utility? I could really use it. I do not care > for the node compiler. You get it by sending $10 to me: Chriss Koch 5325 Red Sky Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80915 --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #4056 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 10:35:50 To: Jeff Masud From: Will McLean Subject: RE: Re: HERMES BBS SYSOP In a message to Joel Bowers written on Tuesday, September 3, 1991 at 5:38:05 AM, Jeff Masud writes: JM> your tabby and in your modem init string for your HST (u've got the new JM> v32bis/HST modem which returns CONNECT 14400, which tabby blows out right?) JM> Well what you do is add X0 to your init string, that will replace the X7 JM> which JM> you use now, that is full connect codes. It's not quite as nice, but you JM> will JM> be able to connect to ANYBODY! But understand one thing, instead of the JM> connected baud rate, using X0 only returns CONNECT and no baud, so Tabby JM> will think your connecting at 300 buad, which is a joke, but as long as JM> your term speed is locked at 19.2k like you mentioned, all will be okay. JM> If you have a questsion, e-mail me... JM> Jeff Masud JM> Sysop of NymphoZit BETTER YET, JUST SET S27=128... Its the unusual incompatibility reg. , it will return connect 9600 for anything above 9600... just like the old HST did Will McLean, 1:280/101.0@Fidonet.Org ---Hermes 1.7 * Origin: From The Voice Of Enlightened Galactic Opinion (1:280/101) Msg. #4057 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 16:46:10 To: Pete Johnson From: Jason Hyerstay Subject: Selling Utilities Pete, would you mind if I sold any of your utilites that I have registered to another sysop, as I am moving to First Class? I would only be selling the Archie and mehitabel combo, not any of your free utilites. They, mehitabel and log-o-matic particuarly, have been great, but I need the money to be able to move on to First Class so I can buy some more utilites from you for that software. -Jason --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.05 * Origin: Point, point, point! All you ever do is point! (1:325/124.1) Msg. #4058 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 08:10:44 To: All From: Bernard Aboba Subject: MACLIST REC proposal? I have a proposal to make that I hope will make the MACLIST more useful without adding too much overhead. The proposal is that a listing of MSDN sites and "Mac Echo Hubs" be added to the MACLIST. In order not to increase the size e of MACLIST too much, the MSDN listing could be added as a flag to the Mac Echo Hub and Host entries The proposal addresses a problem that many people are having, namely "Where can I pick up echoes?" I know that other lists address this issue, but it makes more sense to me to address as many questions as possible in one list like MACLIST, and then distribute MACLIST h as widely as possible. As my boss is fond of saying "Keep it simple." . The idea of "Mac Hubs" is that they would be required to carry ALL non-backbone Macintosh conferences, and to supply those to nodes willing to poll them. The only node that meets this definition that I know of is Ralph Merritt's 269/111, although other nodes certainly come close. It would make sense to have several more "Mac EchoHubs," both in the U.S., and in other areas of the World, such as Canada, and Europe. In summary, this proposal suggests that: 1. "Mac Echo Hubs" be listed in the MACLIST. 2. "Echo Hubs" are defined as nodes carrying all non-backbone Macintosh Echoes, and willing to retransmit to other nodes on demand. 3. An MSDN flag be added to all "Mac Echo Hub" and normal Hub entries to signify if those nodes are part of MSDN. 4. "Echo Hubs" also be required to carry current copies of MACLIST, NODELIST, NODEDIFF, ECHOLIST, and MAC ECHOLIST for file request. --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: BMUG Mail Hub HST apple!bmug Berkeley (415) 849-B (1:161/445.0) Msg. #4059 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/02/91 at 11:10:34 To: Scott Christensen From: Carl-Frederic De Celles Subject: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone SC> Ralph Merritt writes in a message to all on 25 Aug 91 SC> SC> RM> MACNETCOM Macintosh Network Telecommunications SC> SC> Ralph, MACNETCOM is not _officially_ a backbone conference. (You may SC> recall SC> the reasons for this from a year or two ago, and how I somehow got SC> "elected" SC> to moderate this thing.) Although it _is_ carried by some backbone nodes SC> using SC> the backbone structure. You will note the segment fed from 13/13 is SC> "backbone", SC> the rest is not. Hi Scott, We get MACNETCOM here in Quebec City via the backbone at 12/12... So... Maybe it's more "backbone" than you thought! CFD --- MacWoof Eval:23Aug91 * Origin: Les beignes c'est pour la police! (1:240/324.1) Msg. #3568 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/01/91 at 21:23:34 To: Bill Reed From: Wendy Marchuck Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Bill, thank you for your information on proper node compiling. Yes, it appears I am doing everything correct, i.e. the nodediff file is arc'd as is the nodelist file (which on its own did create the tabby nodes file okay) and the nodediff file is 7 days "newer" or 7 days higher in number than the nodelist file. Specifically, I'm working with nodelist for day 221 and nodediff for 228. I have the newest nodediff files that are coming to me each way from my feed, but naturally I gotta start with my original nodelist. What's happening when using Tabby's node compiler is that I am told that it cannot open my nodelist file. It's not saying anymore (cause I was working with the arc'd file orignally like a twit) that the two files aren't compatible, it's saying it can't open the nodediff file. I'm not sure what to try next. For the heck of it, I did boost alloted memory to the node compiler by an incredible amount so I don't believe it can't open it cause of memory limitations. Any ideas? I am planning on taking the suggest of a couple people to buy AutoNodes, but in the meantime, I'd love to figure out what I'm doing wrong Michael Connick's compiler. Thanks for your helpful reply. I appreciated hearing from you. -wendy --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MotorCityMacUserGroup/MacMania BBS (313)278-8578 (1:120/282) Msg. #3569 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/01/91 at 21:27:03 To: Maria Langer From: Wendy Marchuck Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Maria, thank you for your info about Chriss Koch's AutoNodes program. Sounds great! Is there a shareware version around? I've gotten a few suggestions about getting this program, but I'm wondering how people are finding out about it. I haven't seen any thing (yet - maybe I'm just outta touch!) about it on AOL or GEnie. Thanks!!! -wendy --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MotorCityMacUserGroup/MacMania BBS (313)278-8578 (1:120/282) Msg. #3483 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 19:49:01 To: Joe Tvedt From: Bruce Selzler Subject: RE: Message Reader Thanks very much for the help. I'll try to contact Imaginetic. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: ~Valhalla~ MacPlus of the Gods! 714-793-8831 (1:207/211) Msg. #3484 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/06/91 at 07:48:28 To: Wendy Marchuck From: John Gillett Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER WM> Yes, it WM> appears I am doing everything correct, i.e. the nodediff file is arc'd... If I read you right, that is the problem. Those files must be _un_arc'd to be processed by the Node Compiler. Also, while the NodeList can be named almost anything, I have found the the NodeDiff must retain its NODEDIFF.221 (or whatever, but not NODEDIFF.A21) name in order to be found by the compiler. John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3485 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 17:06:00 To: Joe Tvedt From: Rusty Werntz Subject: RE: Message Reader JT> BS> Can anyone recommend a good > BS> message reader? That is, one that I can use from the keyboard. JT> TMM4.0 (The Message Manager) from the Tuttle brothers of Imaginetic >Neovision >in Alabama is superb and is designed to do exactly what you want. The author >are Bill Tuttle and his brother (whose first name I don't recall) and can be >reached at Imaginetic Neovision, 1527 Columbia Circle, Decatur, GA 300324606 > They can also be reached on AOL as IMAGINETIC, GEnie as IMAGINETIC, or >CompuServe >at 72356,253 JT>--- Copernicus Point II (d11) > * Origin: A Different Point of Law (1:114/27.2) Joe I would like to knwo more about this TMM4.0 ! I run an IBM BBS with alot of Macintosh Users.... They have their own conferences and File areas, but no Mail reader compatable to my System that they can use. I am Currently Using the WILDCAT BBS Software Version 3.0 with the TOMCAT Mail and Message Door available for my Users. TOMCAT is a Standard .QWK mail packet System and it uses the Standard ( IBM ) >qwk or Quick Message Format for it's Messages. I had run QMX for the MAC users to make use of Jaberwocky and now I have heard of the MACWOOF Reader System. While MACWOOF is a Viable option, it will take a substantial amount of Hard Drive Space to make the Packets and then Store them for the MAC Users. I would really be Interested if Someone in the Shareware Marketplace for Macintosh wanted to Program a Compatable Reader for the TOMCAT, or if One allready Exhists, letting me Know about it. I can be Reached in this Echo or My MACINTOSH Sysop, Ray Kallman can answer most of the Questions anyone would have. I have Access to the Message Database Formats if someone is Interested in writing such a program. Rusty Werntz (SYSOP C.F.I. BBS) --- * SLMR 2.0 #T270 * Rocket Scientist Sysop.....At Large ! --- WM v1.01 [Unregistered] * Origin: The CFI BBS * (804)422-1109 * WILDCAT of Course ! (1:275/328) Msg. #3486 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 10:31:45 To: Chip Old From: Mark Smith Subject: RE: NUP CO> Information Electronics also makes a UUCP\QM bridge, which CO> raises the interesting possibility of a two-step gate from CO> Second Sight to QuickMail to UUCP. Fantastic news Chip. Many thanks for the address and for sharing this little gem of information with us. I had in mind to do exactly the same thing. Merci encore!! -- Mark --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: MAC-LINK: Montreal, Quebec (514) 935-1652 TBBS/HST (1:167/182) Msg. #3487 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 15:07:38 To: All From: Mark Smith Subject: POINT SOFTWARE I would like to setup some users as points. What is the most reliable, and easiest to configure (and hoping those are not mutually exclusive criteria) point software currently available for the Mac. Ideally it would be nice to be able to recommend a package that is "all in one" and does not require a bunch of seperate applications and config files, similiar to D'Bridge on the PC. Does such a beast exist for the Mac?? Your recommendations are appreciated. -- Mark --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: MAC-LINK: Montreal, Quebec (514) 935-1652 TBBS/HST (1:167/182) Msg. #3488 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/02/91 at 22:54:21 To: Scott Christensen From: Dennis Thieme Subject: RE: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone SC> Well, OK, is it time to change the echo policy for MACNETCOM? SC> Should we "go with the flow and let the backbone types carry it SC> around? Since I already pick it MACNETCOM up via my BB feed, why not!?! SC> FYI: I also note that they seem to be appropriating Michael SC> Connick's Tabby echo. I haven't seen that one yet, but I will keep my eyes open. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Dennis' administrative and mail point (1:213/777.11) Msg. #3489 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 06:56:00 To: Ralph Wade Phillips From: Eric Larson Subject: Hermes sysop? > Yep. So he claims. However, how can ZModem-90 be > faster than YModem-G, when YModem-G only adds 3 bytes per > 1024 for CRC Good question. Perhaps ZModem-90 only sends 2 bytes... Certainly if you are using something like FrontDoor that implements an 8K block variant of ZModem-90.. > Phil Becker has done quite extensive testing. According > to his findings, we can get 960 cps with YModem-G, and 955 or > so with ZModem-90, on a 9600 bps direct link Given the fact that most people are using modem buffers at high speeds, a transmitter speed difference of 0.5% is sort of irrelavent. --- * Origin: where are those 32bit clean ROMs? 8 MB is not enough! (1:260/330) Msg. #3490 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 07:05:00 To: Maria Langer From: Eric Larson Subject: RE: MacTick file name problems - MSDN > Macintosh users be able > to use without additional processing? You haven't given me enough information. For example, was the download done with a Mac? > I think I understand this. The problem remains: when I send > a file to a DOS > system via MacTick and Tabby, the file name changes and gets > a ".BIN" extension. That is why I wrote HAIRBALL to fix the name problem. > When I receive a file from a DOS system using Tick and its > mailer, there's no > ".BIN" problem. Instead, the WHOLE file name comes out (the > Mac file name, That is because arcmail extract is stripping the MacBinary envelope and restoring the original filename. MS-DOS hatchers MUST be careful to use MS-DOS file names on the original file before transferring them to their MS-DOS machine. I suspect that there is a real need to write an FAQ, or come up with better software, either on the Mac or PC end. Probably all of the above. > I understand John's suggestion to run MacTick BEFORE ArcMail > Extract, but what > if the files come sometimes from a Mac System and sometimes > from a DOS system? That shouldn't make any difference, so long as the file was hatched properly. > And I DON'T want to run MacTick in every event because I > only get files once > every few days. It's too bad that ArcMail Extract also does MacBinary file translation. --- * Origin: where are those 32bit clean ROMs? 8 MB is not enough! (1:260/330) Msg. #3491 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 07:46:21 To: Chip Old From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: NUP CO> Information Electronics also makes a UUCP\QM bridge, which raises the CO> interesting CO> possibility of a two-step gate from Second Sight to QuickMail to UUCP. Now THIS would be very interesting...but where would you get a real UUCP feed from without a Unix machine? --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine*...215.635.2341! v32! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3492 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 08:33:43 To: Scott Christensen From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER SC> Be aware that AutoNodes _only_ compiles the nodelist at this time. SC> It will not deal with the MacList or any private list that you have. Hmmm...here is a good idea to update AutoNodes I guess. (I'm kinda lazy...I let my nodelist linger about for a while, and every time I get inspired I download the new one from my hub. I do get the nodediffs, tho... :-) ). It would be nice if it could handle multi-zones. Reagarding MACList -- what is the latest number of the list? I still have like .A32 which was the last one anyone ever sent me... jason --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine*...215.635.2341! v32! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3493 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 11:23:00 To: Maria Langer From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: MacTick file name problems - MSDN > HOW do I specify what the envelope name should be? What program > does that? Hatch doesn't seem to....unless that's what that "Magic > Name" stuff is about....? What I am referring to as an envelope works like this (arbritary example): Original Macintosh file name: SoundMaster 1.7.sit When this file has to be sent over the modem, some way is needed to transfer both the resource and data forks of the file. This is what MacBinary is for. The result is invisible to a BBS user downloading a file. On a non-Macintosh system, you have to have a way to STORE this file as well. Due to the way MacBinary works, it is really a file format, and not a procol. It consists of a 128-byte header, and both forks of the file. The 128-byte header has the "real" name of the file for the Macintosh and other information. As the result is also a file, it doesn't have to be named the same thing. In fact, it usually =can't= because of file naming restrictions. What I refer to as the "envelope" is both the new name of the file and the 128 byte header. The following is a dump of the first 127 bytes of a file named "SM17.SIT". If this was downloaded on a DOS machine or on a Macintosh with MacBinary turned off, you would get a file with these contents, and might not even get the file name depending on your file transfer protocol. Since Fidonet file transmission preserves filenames, the result would be a file "SM17.SIT" on the receiving machine. ADDR I -0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -7 -8 -9 -A -B -C -D -E -F I 0123456789ABCDEF -------+-------------------------------------------------+------------------ 000000 I 00 13 53 6F 75 6E 64 4D 61 73 74 65 72 20 31 2E I ..SoundMaster 1. 000010 I 37 2E 73 69 74 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I 7.sit........... 000020 I 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I ................ 000030 I 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I ................ 000040 I 00 53 49 54 44 53 49 54 21 01 00 00 48 00 00 00 I .SITDSIT!...H... 000050 I 00 00 00 00 00 AD C1 00 00 01 44 A4 E9 13 61 A4 I ..........D...a. 000060 I E9 13 8E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I ................ 000070 I 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I ................ 000080 I 53 49 54 21 00 03 00 00 AD C1 72 4C 61 75 02 B0 I SIT!......rLau.. 000090 I 00 00 00 16 00 8F 05 00 0B 53 6F 75 6E 64 4D 61 I .........SoundMa 0000A0 I 73 74 65 72 20 63 68 61 6E 67 65 73 00 00 00 00 I ster changes.... 0000B0 I 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I ................ 0000C0 I 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 84 73 I ...............s 0000D0 I 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 63 64 65 76 73 4D 73 74 I ........cdevsMst 0000E0 I 21 00 A4 E9 10 6B A4 E9 10 B0 00 01 07 8B 00 00 I !....k.......... 0000F0 I 00 00 00 00 83 ED 00 00 00 00 3D 07 00 00 00 00 I ..........=..... If the receiving machine was a Macintosh with MacBinary turned on, it would look at the first 128 bytes of the file while downloading and try to guess whether it's a MacBinary header or not. If it decides that it is, the file is written as a Macintosh file using the filename and other information in the header. > By preventing the envelope from being thrown away, I assume you > mean either not running ArcMail Extract or running it AFTER TIC. That > adds a lot of work for the MSDN SysOp because he/she has to further > process the file manually (with BinFix or the like) before making it > available for users. Unfortunately, yes. But if you were to run extract AFTER tick or were to run some other batch un-macbinary program it could still be automated. The lack of good batch file capabilities on the Macintosh makes a fully automated BBS hard to achieve. > Heck, I'm the last system from the end of a distribution chain. I > pass files to one system. I could MANUALLY pass these files along > with less trouble. But I'm also a hatch site and want to do my part > right -- with a minimum of additional effort on the part of the DOS > system I feed. The DOS boys already have a low opinion of Mac BBS > and Mailer software -- lets not make it worse!!! The only thing that can change this is to understand the problems and fix them. (But supporting Macintosh users does not require you to run a BBS on a Macintosh. I do quite well with an XT clone that has a 3 1/2" drive, and a Macintosh with a Superdrive and BinHex.) If you were on the end and not a pass-thru, you wouldn't have to worry about this. If all three systems are in the same local calling area, can't you just have the other person connect to your feed? (Or is your end node a point?) Msg. #3494 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 11:26:00 To: Mark Smith From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: POINT SOFTWARE > Ideally it would be nice to be able to recommend a package that is > "all in one" and does not require a bunch of seperate applications > and config files, similiar to D'Bridge on the PC. Does such a > beast exist for the Mac?? Sounds like you're describing MacWoof. --- * Origin: Recycle Fidonet -- send more dupes! (1:387/555) Msg. #3574 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 07:40:36 To: Bernard Aboba From: David Herren Subject: Re: MACLIST REC proposal? I like it. Good plan. Now all we have to do is find someone with $$$$ enough to carry them all and located in strategic places. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #3575 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 19:29:52 To: Scott Christensen From: Jp Edmund Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER SC> Except if you need to compile in the MacList or your own pointlist. SC> I have bought this utility, and never used it because I *have* to SC> compile those two lists in each week. I think with a bit more pressure, SC> we could get Chriss to add those features though. Oh amn, I thought it did that as well, I sent for it, I guess I was too anxious...... Hey Chris, what about it.... making it able to compile user defined lists other that the "nodediffs" --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY NovaLink - Brooklyn - 718-493-4430 (1:2603/107) Msg. #3576 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 14:34:56 To: Tommy Brown From: Franke Ojeda Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? In a message to Franke Ojeda written on Saturday, August 31, 1991 at 5:44:04, Tommy Brown writes: TB>Are you positive about this? The YModem specs I have say that YModem-G does TB>indeed send a CRC, but does not wait for the other modem to send an TB>acknowledgement. Wellll.... Geeeez, don'tcha think you're interpreting my words a bit too literally?? By golly, of course Ymodem-G sends a CRC. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a "protocol", now would it!? :> What I meant was that it doesn't double-check the transfers. Just shove's 'em out... I think we're both saying the same thing. =Franke= --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Classic BBS! Taiwan -- 8862-873-4284 (24hrs) (6:720/547) Msg. #3577 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 14:04:28 To: All From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: MAC CD ROMS Hello. There is a fellow on the TBBS echo trying to encourage the manufacturers to make macintosh content cd's with the high sierra format so people who run pc based bbs's can access them. he is asking that anyone interested send him netmail so he can use the list of interested sysops in his letters to the concerned parties. his name is mark smith 1:167/182 matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #3387 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 21:03:47 To: Mark Smith From: Bill Arndt Subject: POINT SOFTWARE Mark Smith writes in a message to All on 03 Sep 91: MS> Ideally it would be nice to be able to recommend a package that MS> is "all in one" and does not require a bunch of seperate applications MS> and config files, similiar to D'Bridge on the PC. Does such a MS> beast exist for the Mac?? MacWoof is what you are looking for. It doesn't support FREQ'ing or ZedZap transfers, but those two items are on the list for scheduled improvements. It is exceptionally easy to setup, taking about two minutes to install and configure! It doesn't require any separate applications as such, but does require the Communications Toolbox (built into System 7 - and instalable in System 6.04-6.08) and the Serial Communications Tool. Both of these are Apple Systems Software and are available on the larger MacWoof support BBS's. It is a very stable and at this moment entry-level Mac Point system which is getting better all the time. The other options are: Copernicus and the Copernicus enhancement COUNTERPoint. You could have your pointops buy Copernicus II and either use that or purchase the COUNTERPoint enhancements, which require modules from the Copernicus package. Right now the Copernicus/COUNTERPoint systems are more mature and feature laden, but are essentially commercial applications, i.e., you buy first then try. MacWoof is shareware, i.e., try and then buy. I have used all three and my personal choice is COUNTERPoint. If I were starting out right now at pointing, I would choose MacWoof. The price is right and the feature set is adequate for getting your feet wet. After you have worked with it for a while, you can decide if you want to move to another package or "grow with MacWoof" as it matures. C U L --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: International Business MAChines... (1:261/1053.1) Msg. #3388 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 05:41:00 To: John Gillett From: Scott Christensen Subject: RE: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone John Gillett writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 01 Sep 91 JG> Hey bub (grin). You forgot me! JG> 269/102 -> 114/27 -> 114/18 (EC) Thanks for the info. But seriously, since I collect my data monthly from the seenby lines, the fact is "if nobody posts, you don't exist"! :-) Yes, I know that this has a serious flaw - but then again it's a whole lot easier and less expensive than all those netmail messages that never got answered or were answered with incomplete information. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3389 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 05:45:07 To: Ralph Merritt From: Scott Christensen Subject: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone Ralph Merritt writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 02 Sep 91 > Well, OK, is it time to change the echo policy for MACNETCOM? > Should we "go with the flow and let the backbone types carry it > around? RM> That's up to you, you're the moderator! <grin> Jeez, actually this may be a bit old fashioned, but I thought the users and sysops might want a say in what happens... --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3390 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 05:48:54 To: Ralph Merritt From: Scott Christensen Subject: MSDN Ralph Merritt writes in a message to Randy Brown on 02 Sep 91 RM> Ack, I am delinquent in reading my netmail on /102. I'll go extract RM> it from the netmail message area and forward it to Duncan What you want to do is get "Fast Forward" and set it up to send your mail from 269/102 to 269/111 or your point. (wherever you read it) Fast Forward (and AreaTrix) are Pete Johnson's goodies - $25 for the package as I recall - it works great! --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3391 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:52:54 To: Bruce Tomlin From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone Bruce Tomlin writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 02 Sep 91 BT> * I heard the other day that the backbone is at 490 echos out BT> of a technical maximum of 512 (because that's the maximum supported BT> by QM) They can't go snatching up non-backbone echos onto the BT> echo for much longer... at least not until they either kick some BT> off first or get a version of QM that supports more echos. :) BT> Bruce - QM is now in George Peace's able hands (full source code and all), and I'm quite positive that THAT will be fixed VERY shortly ... <B-) RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3392 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 18:54:05 To: Wendy Marchuck From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Wendy, I can't figure out what is the problem. It certainly is *not* a memory problem :>) Auto nodes might be a wise move as it is only $10.00 I think although I don't have it. Sorry that I could not be more of a help. You might try addressing the problem in the Tabby Echo as MC himself moderates it (if you have access to it). Good Luck. =Bill --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: GRAVITY: It's not just a good idea, it's the law. (1:101/270) Msg. #3393 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/06/91 at 00:20:30 To: Sysop From: Will McLean Subject: NON-BACKBONE MACINTOSH ECHOMAIL Would like to find a place to get most/all of the macintosh non-backbone echos MUST BE V32BIS.. PREFERABLY NOT A TABBY SYSTEM.... If you routinely get 1650+cps, and have a slot avail Please drop me a note. Will McLean, 1:280/101.0@Fidonet.Org ---Hermes 1.7 * Origin: From The Voice Of Enlightened Galactic Opinion (1:280/101) Msg. #3394 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/05/91 at 07:50:33 To: Jason Hyerstay From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Selling Utilities JH> Pete, would you mind if I sold any of your utilites that I have registered JH> to JH> another sysop, as I am moving to First Class? I would only be selling the JH> Archie JH> and mehitabel combo, not any of your free utilites. They, mehitabel and JH> log-o-matic JH> particuarly, have been great, but I need the money to be able to move on JH> to JH> First Class so I can buy some more utilites from you for that software. Congrats on the move, FirstClass is a LOT of fun. But don't sell Tabby quite yet, since Pete is working on Fido for FC now, so I understand. (any comments, Pete? :-) Sorry to keep nagging everywhere...oh well) jason --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine*...215.635.2341! v32! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3395 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/06/91 at 15:27:20 To: All From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: PR MATERIALS hello. has anyone ever done a brochure or other such piece to promote a bbs? I am thinking of tossing something together for the local computer stores to hand out to potential modem purchasers. what sort of promotion has anyone done in general other than the usual posting of messages I mean. matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #3396 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 13:45:45 To: Mark Smith From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: POINT SOFTWARE MS> I would like to setup some users as points. What is the most reliable, and MS> easiest MS> to configure (and hoping those are not mutually exclusive criteria) point MS> software MS> currently available for the Mac. MS> MS> Ideally it would be nice to be able to recommend a package that is "all in MS> one" MS> and does not require a bunch of seperate applications and config files, MS> similiar MS> to D'Bridge on the PC. Does such a beast exist for the Mac?? MS> MS> Your recommendations are appreciated. -- Mark Sounds like your only choice is MacWoof. That is the only self contained package for Macintosh. Contact MacWoof Authort: Craig Vaughan P.O. Box 2932 Merrifield, VA 22116 Node# 1:109/342 BBS: (703) 241-5492 It is a shareware package and you can test it for 30 days before it expires. You also might find it in many Mac BBSs. Check the Mac BBSs near you. -Joseph --- MacWoof Eval:26Aug91 * Origin: CALL 505 891-3840 - 5th point off the CALL. (1:301/4.1) Msg. #3551 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 22:32:54 To: Matthew De Jongh From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS > Hello. > There is a fellow on the TBBS echo trying to encourage the manufacturers to > make macintosh content cd's with the high sierra format so people who run pc > based bbs's can access them. > he is asking that anyone interested send him netmail so he can use the list > of interested sysops in his letters to the concerned parties. > > his name is > > mark smith > 1:167/182 > If he has enough interested folks we might consider a BBS IN A BOX conversion. -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3932 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 11:22:37 To: Gregg Phillips From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: Macintosh Echo's > Please post your suggestions here or netmail them to the node in my > origin line. > I would really appreciate your help in this matter and I think that > we have a real chance now of becoming equal partners in this network, > what do you think? > > -Gregg One way to do it is to establish a central system where the echoes for Macintosh are all compiled and kept updated. Another help for Macsysops and Mac echoes is to find people who are willing to help Mac moderator to put their echoes into bb. These are just a few suggestions I can think right away. -Joseph --- MacWoof 1.0.1 * Origin: CALL 505 891-3840, A Call to All. (V32 bis DS) (1:301/4.1) Msg. #3933 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 11:28:17 To: Dennis Thieme From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: RE: MSDN DT> I have FF forward all mail into & out of my system. Works flawlessly. DT> DT> Dennis What version is ff now? I have 1.41! -Joseph --- MacWoof 1.0.1 * Origin: CALL 505 891-3840, A Call to All. (V32 bis DS) (1:301/4.1) Msg. #3934 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 17:40:45 To: Chriss Koch From: Jeremy Berg Subject: RE: AutoNodes I guess I'm kind of in the dark here. Could someone tell me what Autonodes is? From what it sounds it's a utility for Tabby to auto proccess the nodediff files. Am I correct? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Glacier BBS * Mpls, MN * (612) 557-8925 (1:282/94) Msg. #3935 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 10:19:40 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Scott Christensen Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Jason Ehrlich writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 04 Sep 91 JE> Reagarding MACList -- what is the latest number of the list? JE> I still have like .A32 which was the last one anyone ever sent JE> me... There was a new one issued 8/30/91. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3936 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 13:30:22 To: Bernard Aboba From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS Yes, but how many sysops attended fidocon? I didn't. I am sure that there are a lot more out there. matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #3937 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 17:36:48 To: Gregg Phillips From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: MACINTOSH ECHO'S I get macdtp but I have to call CT for it. It just seems like dtp is such a basic mac function that it should be more widely available but I guess the moderator isn't interested in putting it on the backbone for various reasons. matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #3938 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 08:13:30 To: Ralph Merritt From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: MSDN RM> I have FF, and use it for forwarding mail to my points on /102. I thought RM> FF RM> only worked with fakenet numbers, are you saying I can put a "real" node RM> address RM> in there? I have FF too (it came with Areatrix) but, it only works on SS systems, right? jason --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine* - 215-635-2341! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3939 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 08:37:27 To: Franke Ojeda From: Tommy Brown Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? :-) Ok. My point was that YModem-G isn't all that much faster than ZModem, because they both send continuously, and they both send a CRC. I think YModem-G has less overhead, though, right? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Macintosh BBS, NJ -(201) 666-2013 -14.4k HST/v.42b (1:107/525) Msg. #3940 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 13:26:18 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Mark Smith Subject: POINT SOFTWARE Ok, thanks Jason and all the others who responded so promptly to my enquiry concerning a an easy to setup and use MacPoint system. MacWoof seems to be the product of choice in that regard. My next question is, do either of these products (MacWoof or COUNTERpoint) provide multi-zone support (zone aware) and 2 digit zone support?? If yes, which of the two products seems better at handling mutli-zone netmail?? Thanks again for the info. -- Mark --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: MAC-LINK: Montreal, Quebec (514) 935-1652 TBBS/HST (1:167/182) Msg. #3941 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 13:38:41 To: Scott Christensen From: Mark Smith Subject: POINT SOFTWARE Scott, thanks for all the info on the various mailers. Since I plan to be supporting multiple networks, zone support will be very important in the point system I eventually use. I was really hoping there would be a package out there that was both sophisticated AND easy to use. Premature at this point it seems. I will call the various sources you listed (that was a great list btw, and I really appreciate it) and find out which of the available products is "zone aware". Thanks --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: MAC-LINK: Montreal, Quebec (514) 935-1652 TBBS/HST (1:167/182) Msg. #3942 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 12:42:06 To: Mark Smith From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: POINT SOFTWARE Mark Smith writes in a message to All on 03 Sep 91 MS> I would like to setup some users as points. What is the most MS> reliable, and easiest to configure (and hoping those are not MS> mutually exclusive criteria) point software currently available MS> for the Mac. Ideally it would be nice to be able to recommend MS> a package that is "all in one" and does not require a bunch of MS> seperate applications and config files, similiar to D'Bridge MS> on the PC. Does such a beast exist for the Mac?? Mark - An "AllInOne" type package would be MacWoof, although it takes the Serial Communications Tool (and, in System 6.0.4 to 6.0.8, the Communications Tool Box to put the SCT in) in addition to MacWoof. It's $25.00 shareware, available from {jest a sec ... } [Address follows] Craig Vaughan P.O. Box 2932 Merrifield, VA 22116 He also has a FidoNet node, and the two mandatory files are F'REQable as MACWOOF and SERTOOL (I think on the latter .. <B-) ). A far better approach would be Copernicus, which is now available from Silver City (I think ... just a sec) Address follows: Silver City Software P.O. Box 1661 Sparks, NV 89432-1661 (702) 828-2929 (Voice) M-F, 8-6 PT Fido: 1:213/777 AOL: SilverCity You can also furnish a mailer facility, and just use COUNTERPoint. From what I understand, Cope II will have most of the functionality (if not more!) than COUNTERPoint 1.10 has. To recap, the closest to a "Plug and Play" point package would be MacWoof. You might want to put the necessary files on your BBS, and let your users download them and use them. If they want more, you can send them to Silver City Software for Copernicus II. RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 Msg. #3943 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 12:44:25 To: Eric Larson From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: Hermes sysop? Eric Larson writes in a message to Ralph Wade Phillips on 04 Sep 91 EL> > Phil Becker has done quite extensive testing. According > to his findings, we can get 960 cps with YModem-G, and 955 or > so with ZModem-90, on a 9600 bps direct link EL> Given the fact that most people are using modem buffers at high EL> speeds, a transmitter speed difference of 0.5% is sort of irrelavent. Eric - Which was the point I was making .. <B-) It really amazes me, all of the people who get really bent out of shape when they find out I use YMODEM and YMODEM-G mostly (of course, being a TBBS sysop not on the 2.2 beta team, I don't HAVE Zmodem, and that might make a difference .. <B-) ) and keep saying I need to use ZMODEM, since it's "SO MUCH FASTER". Yechh! <B-( RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3944 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 12:48:04 To: Franke Ojeda From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? Franke Ojeda writes in a message to Tommy Brown on 04 Sep 91 FO> By golly, of course Ymodem-G sends a CRC. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a "protocol", now would it!? :> FO> What I meant was that it doesn't double-check the transfers. FO> Just shove's 'em out... FO> I think we're both saying the same thing. Franke - I think I know what you're TRYING to say, but your words contradict themselves .. YMODEM-G is an error -DETECTING protocol. When an error is detected, it will abort the transfer. This does imply a double-check, and that the data isn't just "shove's 'em out"'ed. YMODEM-G is NOT an error-CORRECTING protocol, and as such, is only recommended for the MOST RELIABLE data links. If there are any doubts, don't use it (which is why my default protocol on most boards is either Zmodem or YModem, with several being plain XModem due to problems with ZTerm and/or ProComm on my side, or their BBS on their side.) Hopefully that will settle the matter ... RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3945 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 12:52:28 To: Scott Christensen From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone Scott Christensen writes in a message to Ralph Merritt on 05 Sep 91 > Well, OK, is it time to change the echo policy for MACNETCOM? > Should we "go with the flow and let the backbone types carry it > around? RM> That's up to you, you're the moderator! <grin> SC> Jeez, actually this may be a bit old fashioned, but I thought SC> the users and sysops might want a say in what happens... Scott - This user says, "Please put it on the backbone so I can get it from my main mail feed, 1:124/4115.0, R19EC". RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3946 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 12:55:56 To: Matthew De Jongh From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: PR MATERIALS Matthew De jongh writes in a message to All on 06 Sep 91 MDJ> hello. has anyone ever done a brochure or other such piece to MDJ> promote a bbs? I am thinking of tossing something together for MDJ> the local computer stores to hand out to potential modem purchasers. MDJ> what sort of promotion has anyone done in general other than MDJ> the usual posting of messages I mean. matthew MDJ> --- TMail v1.22 Matthew - Since you run TBBS also (witness the TMail v1.22 tag line, which is what I would carry if I weren't using my point .. <B-) ) try calling the support BBS, and checking on a message from Terry Travis. He taped most of the FidoCon conferences and demos, and had a session on how to make your BBS more profitable, and also on how to promote your BBS. He even was so kind as to go back and put his net/node number into a message later .. <B-) Or, you can look him up (I don't remember offhand, I've got him in my database at work tho ... ) Have fun with your TBBS - it's the closest thing, in BBS software, to the Mac in computers, as far as I've seen. (NOW I'll get it fur shure! <B-) ) RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3947 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 08:57:21 To: Mark Smith From: Kelly Schwarzhoff Subject: Re: POINT SOFTWARE Mark, I believe you can FREQ it under the magic name MACWOOF from 109/421 (The Twilight Clone). You'll need the communications toolbox and the serial tool also though. Kelly Schwarzhoff --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: BMUG Mail Hub HST apple!bmug (510) 849-BMUG (1:161/445.0) Msg. #3948 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 11:47:43 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Gregg Phillips Subject: RE>Proposal? Hi Jason, Fancy meeting you here. ;) After all our recent talks on AOL I would be interested in hearing what you think of my idea that I posted yesterday? Talk to you soon. -Gregg --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: <--] Byte Out of the Apple (707) 747-5406 [--> (1:161/508) Msg. #3949 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 10:15:43 To: Chriss Koch From: Kenneth Grimard Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER thanks for the information chriss? i will have to do that. ken --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Hams Do It Better With More Frequency (508)3712278 (1:324/290) Msg. #3950 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 07:25:16 To: Mark Smith From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: POINT SOFTWARE In a message to Bruce Tomlin writen on Sunday, September 8, 1991 at 2:24:46 AM, Mark Smith writes: MS>>Thanks Bruce. Now I'll ask the next obvious question. Where does one get MS>>MacWoof, MS>>and how much does it cost?? Ypu can get it on a number of boards including this one. Be sure to get version 1.01 which is the latest. It is also FREQable here as MACWOOF. Bill --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Reflections_Boston, MA 617-593-7228 (1:101/270) Msg. #3951 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 07:02:10 To: Scott Christensen From: John Gillett Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER SC> JE> Reagarding MACList -- what is the latest number of the list? SC> JE> I still have like .A32 which was the last one anyone ever sent SC> JE> me... SC> SC> There was a new one issued 8/30/91. Just got one today dated 9/6... John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3954 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 19:36:37 To: Jp Edmund From: Chriss Koch Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER JE> Hey Chris, what about it.... making it able to compile user defined JE> lists other that the "nodediffs" Like I said before, It'll be able to do this in the next revision. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #3955 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 08:29:00 To: Alan Heflich From: Tommy Brown Subject: Hermes sysop? AH> TB> * Origin: 4E 4F 54 20 45 56 45 4E 20 4F 44 44 (1:2603/204) AH> AH> 53 55 52 45 20 48 53 :} :-) Don't ask me, I just use here.. my own board doesn't have echoes. --- * Origin: 4E 4F 54 20 45 56 45 4E 20 4F 44 44 (1:2603/204) Msg. #3956 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 21:42:00 To: Michael Bean From: Nick Sklavounakis Subject: BBS IN A BOX SHIPS! > This issue has 640 megs of compressed BBS files for Second > Sight, > Mansion, Telefinder, First Class and soon Hermes. How about DOS based FILES.BBS systems? Nick --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! (718) 997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3957 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 21:48:00 To: Alan Heflich From: Nick Sklavounakis Subject: 53 55 52 45 20 48 53 TB> AH> 53 55 52 45 20 48 53 :} TB> :-) Don't ask me, I just use here.. my own board doesn't TB> have echoes. I'm responsible for this one, now all I have to do is decipher your little message! Nick --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! (718) 997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3427 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 03:26:23 To: Ralph Merritt From: Garner Miller Subject: MACPOINT RM> I, and I am sure others as well, don't wish to see this echo turn into a RM> brawling ground. <grin> And you wonder why I dropped MODERATOR last year! --- MacWoof Eval:07Sep91 * Origin: I've fallen...and I can't get up! (1:109/328.715) Msg. #3428 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 03:33:43 To: Mark Smith From: Garner Miller Subject: POINT SOFTWARE MS> I would like to setup some users as points. What is the most reliable, and MS> easiest to configure (and hoping those are not mutually exclusive criteria) MS> point software currently available for the Mac. MS> MS> Ideally it would be nice to be able to recommend a package that is "all in MS> one" and does not require a bunch of seperate applications and config MS> files, similiar to D'Bridge on the PC. Does such a beast exist for MS> the Mac?? It sure does: You've just described MacWoof perfectly. It's small (the application is only 164K!), "All-in-one" (There are two things needed for a MacWoof point: The application and the message file. That's it! All the information, including node info, port, speed, areas, messages, and phone number are stored in the message file. And a MacWoof user can have multiple message files for different boss systems with a minimum of fuss.), and takes a good 60 seconds to configure. Areas are automatically added as messages are received in them, and the user can easily configure how many messages it wants kept in each area. This $25 shareware package is VERY good, and should meet your users' needs well. Feel free to file-request it from me at 109/328 as "MacWoof 1.0.1.cpt" or download it from my board's Communications area. (703/264-1104; Sign in as "Mansion Demo" with a password of "Demo" to get in.) If you need more info, please feel free to ask. --- MacWoof Eval:07Sep91 * Origin: I've fallen...and I can't get up! (1:109/328.715) Msg. #3429 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 09:08:43 To: Kenneth Grimard From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER KG> Where does on get this utility? I could really use it. I do not KG> care for the node compiler. From Chriss Koch. I'm sure someone will post his address here...I don't seem to have it. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #3430 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 09:09:41 To: Scott Christensen From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER SC> Except if you need to compile in the MacList or your own SC> pointlist. I have bought this utility, and never used it because SC> I *have* to compile those two lists in each week. I think with a SC> bit more pressure, we could get Chriss to add those features though. Actually, I think he IS working on an update to AutoNodes... --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #3431 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 09:28:17 To: Wendy Marchuck From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER WM> Maria, thank you for your info about Chriss Koch's AutoNodes WM> program. Sounds great! Is there a shareware version around? I've WM> gotten a few suggestions about getting this program, but I'm WM> wondering how people are finding out about it. Chriss pops in regularly here -- I think I read info about AutoNodes a few messages back. In any case, I was doubtful about AutoNodes until I tried it. It is one of the best Tabby-utilities around -- in my opinion. Well worth the $10. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #3432 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/08/91 at 16:42:09 To: Ralph Merritt From: Scott Christensen Subject: MSDN Ralph Merritt writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 07 Sep 91 RM> I have FF, and use it for forwarding mail to my points on /102. RM> I thought FF only worked with fakenet numbers, are you saying RM> I can put a "real" node address in there? I don't see why it shouldn't work. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3433 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 21:20:19 To: Ralph Wade Phillips From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: PR MATERIALS Thanks, the video tapes were already on order! matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #3434 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 12:38:54 To: Bernard Aboba From: William Sommers Subject: Re: MAC CD ROMS > All that would be needed would be to stuff the whole thing, and > then use something like Eric Larson's Mass Binary to MacBinary it. So you'd just kill the HyperCard front-end/search/etc. features, turning it into raw directories only? Sounds relatively simple (assuming batch stuffing), apart from the tedious renaming procedure. How large an HD would this require? What does it cost to cut a CD these days? (I won't bother to ask the License costs in public. ;-) Just curious, for the moment. BTW, Mass Binary was Leo's work; Batch Binary is Eric's enhanced version. --- Opus-CBCS 1.72a * Origin: Macademe/Emma San_Francisco 415-681-9594 HST/V32b (1:125/222.0) Msg. #3435 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 12:55:43 To: Matthew De Jongh From: William Sommers Subject: RE: PR MATERIALS > Yes I ordered a sub to boardwatch. > > I am also ordering two video tapes from this years fido con, > "How to make your bbs support itself" and "how to promote and > advertise your online service" Jack Rickard productions, I assume. ;-) --- Opus-CBCS 1.72a * Origin: Macademe/Emma San_Francisco 415-681-9594 HST/V32b (1:125/222.0) Msg. #3436 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 23:54:32 To: Alan Heflich From: Chip Old Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? TB> * Origin: 4E 4F 54 20 45 56 45 4E 20 4F 44 44 (1:2603/204) > AH> 53 55 52 45 20 48 53 :} 53 61 79 20 57 48 41 54 3F 20 20 4D 61 6E 2C 20 74 61 6C 6B 20 61 62 6F 75 74 20 6F 66 66 20 74 6F 70 69 63 C9 --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: CRABBS Point 2, Cub Hill, Maryland, U.S.A. (1:261/1053.2) Msg. #3437 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 08:12:33 To: Jason Hyerstay From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Selling Utilities JH> JE> Congrats on the move, FirstClass is a LOT of fun. But don't sell JH> JE> Tabby quite yet, since Pete is working on Fido for FC now, so JH> JE> I understand. (any comments, Pete? :-) Sorry to keep nagging JH> JE> everywhere...oh well) JH> JH> Well, I was under the understanding that FC will have its own mailer - one JH> that JH> can 'gateway' to fidonet, uucp, other FC BBSs, and other nets...I thought JH> it JH> wouldn't need Tabby. Uh...hm...I'll have to ask them. I was under the understanding that they were going to give Pete Johnson the message base structures and he would write the import/export stuff. I think they are planning on having a FirstClass-FirstClass BBS net, but that would be version 2.0...(1.6 is coming Sept. 16th, 1.7 sometime after that and will have threading in message bases so I'm told.). Of course if you're correct than I'll be _quite_ happy :-) UUCP gateways would be nice. A FAX Gateway is coming too. jason --- MacWoof Eval:08Sep91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine*! (215) 635-2341! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3438 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/07/91 at 22:56:43 To: Bill Reed From: Wendy Marchuck Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Bill, thank you for the reply about Autonodes and Node Compiler. Yeah, I was thinking about addressing my Node Compiler problem in the TABBY echo (although my board doesn't carry it and it's long distance to call the nearest board that does), but it dawned on me that MC's board is still down (last I heard) so I don't think he could provide a timely answer. Hope he gets his mac running soon. Anxious for the release of Tabby 3.0! <g> Once again, Bill, thanks for your help! Yes, I've just ordered AutoNodes and I'm confident that I'll be able to use autonodes better than I've been trying to use Node Compiler <g>. Take care! -wendy --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MotorCityMacUserGroup/MacMania BBS (313)278-8578 (1:120/282) Msg. #3439 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 21:10:31 To: Bruce Selzler From: Mike Taylor Subject: RE: Hermes BBS Sysop Thus quoth the Raven ... BS> You might try calling, but I haven't got any information out BS> of them so far. The person I talkedsaid that processing takes BS> between 5 to 10 days AFTER your board is verified I called them and was verified within 90 minutes. Reckon I called on a good day =8) Today was the 6th business day since I was verified. I'm expecting it to come this week.... Mike --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: -= The Lyceum -=- 205.826.9205 -=- Auburn, AL =- (1:3613/13.1) Msg. #3440 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 21:16:51 To: Pete Johnson From: Mike Taylor Subject: RE: TABBY UTILITIES Thus quoth the Raven ... PJ> Works with any Tabby-compatible BBS program. Available as part PJ> of the AreaTrix package (AreaTrix is similarly compatible) for PJ> $25 from Great, Pete, thanks for the info. Watch for an order RSN! Mike --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: -= The Lyceum -=- 205.826.9205 -=- Auburn, AL =- (1:3613/13.1) Msg. #3441 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/03/91 at 21:18:53 To: Ray Leninger From: Mike Taylor Subject: RE: TABBY UTILITIES Thus quoth the Raven ... RL> It's a plain ole Tabby utility that'll work with any BBS software. RL> It sends any files you designate (such as MacList, NodeDiff, RL> etc) to go to any node you want Thanks for the info. Pete sent me his address, so I'm going to order it as part of the AreaTrix package. Mike --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: -= The Lyceum -=- 205.826.9205 -=- Auburn, AL =- (1:3613/13.1) Msg. #3442 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 20:50:40 To: Michael Bean From: John Gillett Subject: Re: MSDN Policy (part 3) MB> > DM> DiskDoubler is commercial, absolutly no chance. Using it in MB> > DM> MSDN would imply that we support the product (which we don't). MB> > DM> MSDN supports only shareware and public domain software. MB> MB> MB> Surely you jest... I would think any compression program that MB> provides a decompression public domain version would be adequate. MB> Unless of course you want to establish one standard compression MB> method for all MSDN transfers. Agreed, 100%. Actually, this discussion should be in MSDNSYSOP. John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3573 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 11:00:07 To: Nick Sklavounakis From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: BBS IN A BOX SHIPS! > > This issue has 640 megs of compressed BBS files for Second > > Sight, > > Mansion, Telefinder, First Class and soon Hermes. > > How about DOS based FILES.BBS systems? > > Nick > I would be willing to try if you and some of the other IBM folks could educate me on what you might need. I have little IBM experience. Call Michael Bean at 602-892-5454 if you would like to help with such a project. -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3575 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 11:06:15 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: MSDN > DT> I have FF forward all mail into & out of my system. Works flawlessly. > DT> > DT> Dennis > > What version is ff now? I have 1.41! > > -Joseph > FF1.5 is the current version... -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3576 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 11:07:15 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: MSDN > > I have FF too (it came with Areatrix) but, it only works on SS systems, right? > > jason > Correct .... FF is SS dependent.... --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3577 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 15:20:22 To: Scott Christensen From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: MSDN > > Ralph Merritt writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 07 Sep 91 > > RM> I have FF, and use it for forwarding mail to my points on /102. > RM> I thought FF only worked with fakenet numbers, are you saying > RM> I can put a "real" node address in there? > You can use FF to forward to other Boards. For instance in AZ if anyone on 114/53 or 114/27 sends private mail to me it is forwarded to 114/56 and 114/56 forwards it to my point at 114/56.1. Pretty cool tool. -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3639 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 06:50:31 To: Wendy Marchuck From: John Gillett Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER WM> Can someone tell me step by step what they do when they run Node WM> Compiler? Maybe this will help me find my problem. I'm doing WM> something wrong, but can't figure out what it is. Thanks, -wendy 1. Make sure the nodeLIST you now have is current and functioning properly. If necessary get a new one. 2. Un-arc the new nodeDIFF. Do NOT change the name of the un-arced file. 3. Run the compiler to UPDATE the nodeLIST you now have. Be sure to follow the prompts to select the correct file at the right time. 4. QUIT the compiler immediately after the update (compiler bug). 5. Launch the compiler again and COMPILE the new nodeLIST for this week. If this does not work send this list back (I forget quickly) with an indication of exactly where it fails. Include the exact names of the list and diff files you are trying to run. John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3640 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 23:29:14 To: David Herren From: Ralph Merritt Subject: addition to the MacList > Ralph- Another node here in Vermont wants to be added to the MacList. > What is the procedure? He is Jason Hyerstay at 325/124. What is his BBS software? After that, I can list him. Will you pass the MACLIST onto him? --- * Origin: Dragon's MailBox (1:269/111) Msg. #3641 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 22:48:57 To: Wendy Marchuck From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER In a message to Bill Reed writen on Tuesday, September 10, 1991 at 10:32:50 PM, Wendy Marchuck writes: WM>>nearest board that does), but it dawned on me that MC's board is still WM>>down (last I heard) so I don't think he could provide a timely answer. WM>>Hope he gets his mac running soon. Anxious for the release of Tabby 3.0! Wendy, you are welcome:>) A thought just occurred to me that MC occasionally post here so may see your mesage if not you might try addressing it to him..either that of if you ahve access to netmail....He would be in the nodelist. For the record, I believe that the Castle is up and running although his HD did die on him. I am anxious to hear how you make out with autonodes for a selfish reason in that it intrigues me since the manual compiling is such a pain. Since I don't have multiple lists to manipulate, it would appear that Autonodes is a quick and easy fix. Let me know how it goes. Bill --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: GRAVITY: It's not just a good idea, it's the law. (1:101/270) Msg. #3642 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 21:23:36 To: Ralph Wade Phillips From: Ken Hancock Subject: Hermes sysop? RW> > Phil Becker has done quite extensive testing. According RW> > to his findings, we can get 960 cps with YModem-G, and 955 or RW> > so with ZModem-90, on a 9600 bps direct link RW> EL> Given the fact that most people are using modem buffers at high RW> EL> speeds, a transmitter speed difference of 0.5% is sort of irrelavent. I'm doing even better than that when connecting at V.42bis. At V.32/42bis connections with YMODEM-G, I've been getting 1025-1050 cps with ZTerm-TBBS connections. Unfortunately, I really can't compare it against ZModem as TBBS doesn't have support for it yet. Ken --- MacWoof Eval:02Sep91 * Origin: Mactropolis, city on the edge of whenever (1:101/640.10) Msg. #3643 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 09:09:28 To: John Gillett From: Maria Langer Subject: MacTick in Every Event JG> Why not? I do here. It only takes a few seconds when there are no JG> files to process, so there's no big loss. A few seconds? Over a minute on my SE. Plus I'd have to run AutoNodes BEFORE it each time it runs or my nodediff would be whisked away to another folder before AutoNodes can process it. That's TWO programs I'd have to add to every event chain. Don't get me wrong -- if that's the ONLY way, I'll do it. But I'd like to think there are ways to get around that solution. I think John S's upgrade will do the job nicely and can't wait to get my hands on it. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #3644 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/09/91 at 09:19:02 To: Michael Bean From: Mark Spaulding Subject: BBS IN A BOX SHIPS! Michael Bean writes in a message ... MB> Well after months of WORK Volume II Hits the Streets! Hi Michael, We have version 1 of BBS in a Box and we are wondering how many of the files have been updated? 20%, 40% 80%? Are there still PIT archives on the disk? Lastly, if we do update, we won't have to change the paths any of our menus or file sections right? I would hate to think I will have to go through that ENTIRE process all over again! Regards, --Mark Lead Sysop, Dear Theophilus BBS --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #3645 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 15:03:40 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Garner Miller Subject: POINT SOFTWARE JE> MacWoof is real easy to set-up and is all one app. But Coper II has a JE> better interface and more features, so I am told (who knows.) MacWoof JE> is enough for me, but I'm a PointOnBoss so mailer features are JE> moot here :-) Same here. I use the mailer when I go out of town, though, and I assure you it works quite well. :-) Can't wait 'til he gets File-requests in... Any day now, I believe. --- MacWoof Eval:07Sep91 * Origin: "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!" (1:109/328.715) Msg. #3646 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 15:55:26 To: Kelly Schwarzhoff From: Mark Smith Subject: RE: POINT SOFTWARE KS> Mark, I believe you can FREQ it under the magic name KS> MACWOOF from 109/421 (The Twilight Clone). You'll need the KS> communications toolbox and the serial tool also though. KS> Thanks Kelly. Just got the 1.0 version, and have setup a poll to FREQ 1.01 tonight. I've just had a few minutes to play with it.... but so far, what I've seen is absolutely ASTOUNDING. As far as I am concerned, this is a revolution in point software for ease of use. Early version of Copernicus that I tried to install where just horrendously and unneedlesly complicated. MacWoof is an example of the way it *should* be done on a Macintosh. BTW, I had an expert in DOS comm/network software here while I was doing the installation (just in case I got into trouble... I was expecting a Copernicus type scenario) and he was just amazed at how easy it was to setup and use... said he was going have to get himself a Mac just to use MacWoof. Coming from a guy who can configure D'Bridge/Binkley/Tmail/Qmail and a dozen other DOS utilities in his sleep, that is a high compliment indeed. I will be registering this puppy *real* soon. BTW, I bought the first version of Copernicus ($40 I believe) and if anyone is interested, it's now for sale. I never received an upgrade notice or anything from those people! Some support :-( I do have a number of requests concerning MacWoof but I'll wait until I'm hooked into the support echo before sending them (chief amoung them being support for sending netmail to multiple zone... as setup I can only be one point address and that wont' work very well if I'm sending stuff to more than one network). Thanks again for the info on MacWoof. It's one hell of a product. --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: MAC-LINK: Montreal, Quebec (514) 935-1652 TBBS/HST (1:167/182) Msg. #3647 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/10/91 at 19:00:48 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Scott Christensen Subject: MSDN Jason Ehrlich writes in a message to Ralph Merritt on 08 Sep 91 JE> I have FF too (it came with Areatrix) but, it only works on SS JE> systems, right? Yes. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3648 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 09:04:50 To: William Sommers From: Eric Larson Subject: MAC CD ROMS In a message to Bernard Aboba [09 Sep 91 12:38:00] William Sommers writes: >Just curious, for the moment. BTW, Mass Binary was Leo's work; >Batch Binary is Eric's enhanced version. Speaking of Leo, he, or someone using his name called my BBS a couple of months ago. Nice to see he still owns a modem. --- Jabberwocky Pro v1.0a1 * Origin: Press +++ ATH for BBS (1:260/330.106) Msg. #3649 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 09:45:04 To: Garner Miller From: Mark Smith Subject: POINT SOFTWARE GM> It sure does: You've just described MacWoof perfectly. It's GM> small (the application is only 164K!), "All-in-one" (There GM> are two things needed for a MacWoof point: The application GM> and the message file. That's it! All the information, GM> including node info, port, speed, areas, messages, and GM> phone number are stored in the message file. And a MacWoof GM> user can have multiple message files for different boss GM> systems with a minimum of fuss.), and takes a good 60 GM> seconds to configure. Garner... many thanks for the reply. I got it. I tried it. And I love it. It is EXACTLY the kind of product I will feel comfortable suggesting to my users (never mind the fact that I am *really* going to enjoy using it myself). Someone finally did it right, thank god. I may FREQ 1.0.1 from you as I only have the 1.0 version at the moment. Gotta send in my registration form for this one TODAY!!! --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: MAC-LINK: Montreal, Quebec (514) 935-1652 TBBS/HST (1:167/182) Msg. #3650 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 07:33:57 To: Maria Langer From: John Gillett Subject: RE: MacTick in Every Event ML> A few seconds? Over a minute on my SE. 'A few seconds' may have been a bit short, but it does take well under a minute here on the Plus. ML> I think John S's upgrade will do the job nicely and can't wait to get my ML> hands on it. Same here... John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3935 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 17:21:26 To: Mark Spaulding From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: BBS IN A BOX SHIPS! > > Michael Bean writes in a message ... > > MB> Well after months of WORK Volume II Hits the Streets! > > Hi Michael, > > We have version 1 of BBS in a Box and we are wondering how many of the files > have been updated? 20%, 40% 80%? BBS IN A BOX Volume II has 200 megs of new items so about 40% and all previous versions of files have been updated. A total of 640 megabytes of compressed Macintosh software. Decompressed this data exceeds 1.3 Gigabytes! Volume II contains over 100 AppleLink items, 270 Adobe Screen fonts, 100 MUG items, 1000 Art files, 350 Business tools, 400 DA's, 150 Films, 260 Fonts, 400 Games, 120 GIFs, 840 HyperCard tools, MacTechnical Notes, 200 MUG Newsletter Reviews, 80 MIDI files, 50 Movies, 460 Sound files, 360 Programer tools, 520 Telecommunication files, 50 System7 tools, Decompression applications, 1080 utilities for the Macintosh, 650 Word processing tools and support articles. >Are there still PIT archives on the disk? All pit files have been removed. > Lastly, if we do update, we won't have to change the paths any of our menus > or file sections right? All previous paths are in place and you can stick the CD-ROM in your drive and work immediately. None of the old paths have changed or their respective area names. If you want the new CD-ROM running right away and you do not have time to make the addition of the 5 new areas yet, just take the Volume I out and put Volume II in. Make the changes later when you have time. However to enjoy the five new sections you will have to install these menus. NEW STUFF: First you will want to incorporate the new menus and file sections. New sections have been added for: 1). Fonts (FontDL) 2). Adobe Screen fonts (AdobeDL) 3). Fido echoes archives (EchoDL) 4). GIF's (GIFDL) 5). System 7 tools (System7DL) 6). AllDL.alpha (optional) Either make up your own menus or use the AMUG or Pete Johnson menus for Fontmenu, Adobemenu, Echomenu, GIFmenu and System7 menu to link to your master file menu. These menus will link with FontDL, AdobeDL, EchoDL, GIFDL, and System7DL on the AMUG CD:CD Setup:Dir: folder.. Next, you will simply alter your master DL menu to accompany these new download menus. After you have completed this your update is finished. Hope that helps! -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 Msg. #4013 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 22:15:19 To: Jeremy Berg From: Chriss Koch Subject: RE: AutoNodes JB> Could someone tell me what Autonodes is? From what it sounds JB> it's a utility for Tabby to auto proccess the nodediff files. JB> Am I correct? Yep. AutoNodes is a Tabby event compatible utility which automatically deARCs incoming Fidonet NODEDIFFs, updates the NODELIST and compiles the Tabby Nodes file. When finished, it can optionally delete the the ARCed and deARCed NODEDIFF and old NODELIST. AutoNodes is not BBS specific, it will work with any BBS in combination with Tabby. To receive AutoNodes, send $10 to: Chriss Koch 5325 Red Sky Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80915 Please specify whether you want to receive AutoNodes on a floppy or as a file attachment to your BBS (include Fidonet node number). --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #4014 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 22:18:29 To: Maria Langer From: Chriss Koch Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER > From Chriss Koch. I'm sure someone will post his address here...I > don't seem to have it. If you have tidE you have do -- it's in the online help! --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #4015 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 22:20:32 To: Maria Langer From: Chriss Koch Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER ML> Actually, I think he IS working on an update to AutoNodes... I am?!? _Who_ keeps starting these rumors? ;) Actually I haven't started anything on it yet. Anybody want to upgrade my network of 100 Macs to system 7 for me? --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #4016 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 22:22:53 To: Chip Old From: Chriss Koch Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? CO> 53 61 79 20 57 48 41 54 3F 20 20 4D 61 6E 2C 20 74 61 6C 6B 20 CO> 61 62 6F 75 74 20 6F 66 66 20 74 6F 70 69 63 C9 Now cut that out! ;) --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: What's everyone pointing at? Colorado Springs, CO (1:128/46.1) Msg. #4018 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 01:09:14 To: All From: Jesse Tharin Subject: cd-rom question I am running a board for a combined Mac/Apple II user group and it's running on a Mac Plus with, among other things, an Apple CD-ROM drive attached. Normally this drive holds a certain popular Mac PD files disk, but I'd like to plug in an Apple CD a few days a week for the Apple II callers. I can't get the drive (an Apple CD SC) to recognize the Apple II CD platter. I don't want to run anything off the CD, just have it available for it's files. The local dealer says I can't have it happen, that the only way is to plug the drive into an Apple II and then transfer files from the Apple II to the Mac, but then these guys are only guessing. Has anyone here ever done such a thing? I know I'd have to generate a few FSECs and semi-clone a few menus, buthow can I get to the files? Jesse --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: - Tucson Arizona - 602-741-7851 - (1:300/7) Msg. #4019 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 17:30:49 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Jason Hyerstay Subject: Selling Utilities Jason Ehrlich writes in a message to Jason Hyerstay on 09 Sep 91 JE> Uh...hm...I'll have to ask them. I was under the understanding JE> that they were going to give Pete Johnson the message base structures JE> and he would write the import/export stuff. I think they are JE> planning on having a FirstClass-FirstClass BBS net, but that JE> would be version 2.0...(1.6 is coming Sept. 16th, 1.7 sometime JE> after that and will have threading in message bases so I'm told.). JE> Of course if you're correct than I'll be _quite_ happy :-) UUCP JE> gateways would be nice. A FAX Gateway is coming too. I really want it to have its own mailer that does all those things. Maybe it will all be inside the FC program, so it won't have to launch anything!! I would also love to be able to get away from the huge strings of programs necessary to process Tabby echomail and netmail. Let's cross our fingers... -Jason --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.05 * Origin: Point, point, point! All you ever do is point! (1:325/124.1) Msg. #4020 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 06:23:32 To: Ralph Wade Phillips From: Scott Christensen Subject: Additional Mac Echos on the Backbone Ralph Wade Phillips writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 07 Sep 91 RWP> This user says, "Please put it on the backbone so I can get it RWP> from my main mail feed, 1:124/4115.0, R19EC". It's already there! Send them an areafix request. :-) After you're hooked up, please send a "howdy" message via the echo so I can add your path to my chart... RWP> --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 RWP> * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) BTW, you will find CP version 1.10 much improved, Lininger will send it to you on disk free if you send a disk and a postage paid return mailer. Send To: Lininger Technology 385 Bowling Green Place Gahanna, Ohio 43230 (Case dismssed; [bang!] NEXT!) --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #4021 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 06:30:42 To: All From: Scott Christensen Subject: MacNetCom on the backbone Since Ralph didn't know the topology of MacNetCom, I thought I would reproduce my "map". It is as accurate as I can make it - I use the path lines from messages received. Perhaps it will encourage others to connect up via existing feeds that they didn't know about... ;-) MacNetCom Topology 1:282/24 -> 1:269/111 I-> 1:13/13 (see "backbone" segment below) I-> 1:110/430 I-> 1:161/445 I-> 1:161/444 I I-> 1:161/555 I I-> 1:204/555 I I-> 1:260/330 I I-> 1:269/102 I-> 1:101/450 I-> 1:101/270 I I I-> 1:114/27 -> 1:114/18 I I I-> 1:290/628 -> 1:290/2 I-> 1:3073/6 I I I-> 1:285/13 I I I I-> 1:266/45 I I-> 1:107/947 I I-> 1:204/565 I I-> 1:361/106 I-> 1:3604/45 I I-> 3:633/204 -> 3:634/386 I I-> 1:325/201 I-> 1:2603/107 I-> 1:2603/204 I-> 2:243/47 -> 2:243/100 I-> 2:242/35 I-> 2:242/91 1:13/13 I-> 1:1/217 -> 1:105/200 -> 1:346/2 I-> 1:124/4115 -> 1:209/209 I-> 1:343/300 I-> 1:152/3 -> 1:152/42 I I I-> 1:343/75 I I I I->1:357/3 = 1:357/1 I I-> 1:151/1003 -> 1:135/41 -> 1:135/60 -> 1:135/92 I-> 1:261/1023 -> 1:261/1024 -> 1:261/1053 I-> 1:266/22 -> 1:270/1 -> 1:270/415 I-> 1:271/245 I-> 1:322/1 I-> 1:321/109 -> 321/307 I I-> 1:325/114 -> 1:325/124 I I-> 1:396/1 I-> 1:101/1 -> 1:324/1 -> 1:324/290 I-> 1:109/25 I-> 1:109/10 -> 1:109/342 I I-> 1:278/3 -> 1:278/607 I I-> 1:154/77 -> 1:2250/1 I-> 1:203/53 I-> 1:161/503 -> 1:161/502 -> 1:161/508 I I-> 1:125/10 -> 1:125/222 -> 1:125/444 I I-> 1:213/213 -> 1:213/777 I I-> 1:387/823 -> 1:387/255 -> 1:387/555 I-> 1:397/2 It also appears to be gated into RBBS-NET, since 1:10/8 is picking it up from 13/13. Here is the AREAS.BBS segment on 13/13 which shows several connections that have never passed an outgoing message: #S:\Macnetco MACNETCOM 17/38 1/217 10/8 12/12 104/1 124/4115 141/730 865 151/1003 266/22 269/111 273/715 396/1 --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 Msg. #4022 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 16:25:00 To: Bernard Aboba From: Klaus Koehler Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS Hi Bernard! In a msg of <10 Sep 91>, Bernard Aboba writes to Matthew De Jongh: BA> Of course there is also USENET, but I believe that for UNIX you would BA> want to store files in .HQX format, instead of MacBinary II. If I am BA> wrong there, someone will pipe up. WHY? To spend a lot more money on telephone bills? I know that almost every Macintosh-file-server on usenet stores the files in hqx format, but I could not understand why. The files are approx. 30% larger than in binary form. And if you can use binary for .tar.Z unix files and .zip, .lzh, .arj etc. ms-dos files than you can use .sit or .cpt or whatever for macintosh files, too. I have about 200MB Mac files on a Unix box and all of them are in macbinary format -> no problems at all... Ciao, Klaus --- GoldED 2.31p * Origin: Astros Wundertuete - Simtel20/Info-Mac (2:243/600) Msg. #4023 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 19:40:40 To: All From: Ralph Merritt Subject: BBSCON! by Jack Rickard, Editor Boardwatch Magazine 1:104/555 FidoCon91, Commercialization, and The ONE BBSCON Thought I would submit a few words to Fido News regarding FidoCon91 and address a couple of very legitimate concerns regarding "commercialization". Phil Becker, author of TBBS and president of eSoft, Inc., and myself (Jack Rickard - Boardwatch Magazine) were approached last spring by a member of this year's FidoCon91 committee who wanted a show with a wider attendance than they'd seen at FidoCons in the past couple of years. I've heard the figure 90 and also 76 attendees for the FidoCon in New Jersey in 1990 and similar turnouts for the San Jose event. We agreed to "help" as long as we could make it a wider, more diverse group attractive to a wider range of people. The results were good and bad - depending on how you look at it. As I understand it, there were 408 attendees and I don't think anyone disputes the fact that it was the largest event ever. I also think the vendor area with PCBoard, MajorBBS, Wildcat, Searchlight, CompuCom, Exactus, U.S. Robotics, Boardwatch, QModem, SEAMail, and so on was actually a bit of fun. Prodigy hosted a hospitality suite. Representatives from BIX, CompuServe, and ZiffNet were there. So it was definitely more commercial than past FidoCons. I'll take the heat for that, I contacted most of those companies myself and lobbied pretty hard for it to happen. There were some complaints about that and I'm going to guess I agree they had some merit. It WAS different. And it was more commercial. It seemed natural I suppose because Boardwatch Magazine is more or less commercial. It may be a smallish, pee-yellow monthly rag with a bit of an unconventional viewpoint, but it's how I feed the kids and I get to do something I really like as well - write about bulletin boards, online services, and so forth. The conflict is that as much as anyone else, I buy into the amateur nature, the lack of central authoritarian organization, and the anarchist, grass-roots Tom Jennings vision of what FidoNet is and ought to be, pretty much lock, stock, and barrel. I don't want a corporation running it, and don't think it needs all the marvelous "payoffs" dangled under the banner of commercialization. It's kind of a marvel that 11,000 BBS can "network" without having to have smarmy meetings with Roberts Rules of Order and a bunch of suits continually looking concerned and asking the lawyers what they can do and can't do. I'm going to guess I would resent that changing. At the same time, I had a ball at this years event and it sure looked like a lot of others did as well. I like the idea of 400 operators gathered face-to-face and I like the idea of 1000 of them even better. There were some things that happened schedule-wise that begged for improvement, and while Phil and I promoted the thing shamelessly, we didn't really have much control of that end of it. But despite some obvious problems, I just had a really good time and it seemed to me that most of the people there did as well. So basically, I WANT a BIG BBS show with LOTS of operators and vendors. And I don't want FidoNet to change at all - much less by my own hand. Finally, I'm just not too hot on "committees" - even good ones. So - to the bottom line. Phil Becker and I did help the FidoCon91 committee this year and we have effectively ended that relationship and "broken" with the FidoCon91 committee of Terry Travis, Marshall Barry, and Michelle for 1992. We are planning a grass-roots general BBS show in Denver next August - tentatively August 13-16, 1992. We have no further official connection with FidoCon or the FidoCon91 committee of Travis et al. I understand they are planning something for next year and wish them well with it. We've formed a third company titled ONE, Inc. (Online Networking Expositions) and we're calling the show The Online Networking Expostion and BBS Conference - The ONE BBSCON. I'm pretty well committed to getting 1000-1300 BBS operators and 50 vendors there and significantly improve some of the scheduling and execution problems encountered this year. For one thing, there won't be ANYTHING scheduled after Sunday noon and Sunday morning is going to be real "lite". There won't be any back-to- back sessions in the same room without a break. Some of my hot buttons on Internet, NREN, and so forth are going to get more time and resources. We hope to pull in some more significant shareware participation. There will probably be more tracks and they'll probably be more thematic. And if anything, more diverse with some greater numbers of Unix people, PCBoard people, and international participation. Finally, while we will undoubtedly do some sessions ourselves, I'd like to get more good speakers here like Mitch Kapor and John Barlow and avoid the "Jack and Phil Show" aspect that our "fill in the holes" efforts caused this year. We are working on bringing in representatives of Ilink, PCRelay, and a number of other "networks" simply because a lot of BBS operators are interested in networking. And I'm going to guess that we would like some representation from FidoNet. One thing that struck me about this year's event was that four different people approached me on Sunday as the show was winding down to express bewilderment that they had come all this way, attended lots of sessions, and still didn't exactly know how to join FidoNet. So I hope we can at least get one of the local FidoNet operators or our NC to come host a session on how to join the thing. And simply because of our personal history with FidoNet, if the net, or portions of the net wants a larger participation in The ONE BBSCON, it's going to be hard to cough up a "no" to any specific requests for facilities, session tracks, etc. But my personal feeling is that it would probably be healthy if there was a "FidoCon" somewhere else next year. I am uncomfortable with the allegation that Phil Becker and I have designs on "commercializing" FidoCon. Our actions in 1991 were intended to make it more successful. I apologize if they were inappropriate. And our plans for 1992 are specifically and by design not related to FidoCon period. We are going to do a general BBS industry and networking trade show and we're going to make it a relatively big one. And I have already enlisted the aid of Jim Warren, the man who started the West Coast Computer Fair that Tom Jennings referred to in the last FidoNews, as our personal coach and mentor/advisor for matters regarding The ONE BBSCON. I can't think of anyone better myself, I admire him immmensely (he also founded Dr. Dobbs Journal and InfoWorld and hosted the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy conference last March) and while he has no direct involvement or material obligation to The ONE BBSCON, he has enthusiastically agreed to advise and mentor as the official "kibitzer". By funding a full-time organization to handle this annual show, getting the best advice we can, and promoting it full speed for a full year, I'm going to guess we'll put together our 1000 attendees and then some. It should work out to be the most fun you can have standing up. Msg. #4024 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/11/91 at 22:16:38 To: Chip Old From: Mark Toland Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? TB> * Origin: 4E 4F 54 20 45 56 45 4E 20 4F 44 44 (1:2603/204) > AH> 53 55 52 45 20 48 53 :} CO> 53 61 79 20 57 48 41 54 3F 20 20 4D 61 6E 2C 20 74 61 6C 6B 20 CO> 61 62 6F 75 74 20 6F 66 66 20 74 6F 70 69 63 C9 53 61 79 20 57 48 41 54 3F 20 20 4D 61 6E 2C 20 74 61 6C 6B 20 61 62 6F 75 74 20 6F 66 66 20 74 6F 70 69 63 C9 --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: _ZSys_BBS_5152793073_N290EC_DM,IA_MultiTechV.42bis (1:290/2.1) Msg. #3552 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 21:08:05 To: Mark Smith From: Dennis Thieme Subject: RE: POINT SOFTWARE MS> BTW, I bought the first version of Copernicus ($40 I believe) and MS> if anyone is interested, it's now for sale. You might put this offer up in MACFSALE if you have access to it. I have seen requests for a person there wanting to buy an old copy. MS> I never received an upgrade notice or anything from those people! MS> Some support :-( The only reason you haven't received an upgrade notice for Copernicus II is because they (the upgrade notices) won't be mailed out until around the end of this month. Dennis Chinese Proverb: Poverty is inconvenient. Try to avoid it. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Shipping 9-91! Copernicus II 702-828-2929 8-6 PDT (1:213/777.1) Msg. #3553 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 21:11:49 To: Bill Reed From: Dennis Thieme Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER BR> it would appear that Autonodes is a quick and easy fix. Bill, Try it, you'll like it. I installed it almost a year ago and have had no difficulties with it at all. Runs flawlessly. Dennis Chinese Proverb: Poverty is inconvenient. Try to avoid it. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Shipping 9-91! Copernicus II 702-828-2929 8-6 PDT (1:213/777.1) Msg. #3554 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 08:37:06 To: Scott Christensen From: John Gillett Subject: RE: MacNetCom on the backbone SC> I-> 1:269/102 I-> 1:101/450 I-> 1:101/270 SC> I I-> 1:114/27 -> 1:114/18 Nope, now changed to: 1:114/18(EC) -> 1:114/27 -> 1:102/942 John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3555 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/16/91 at 01:54:58 To: Jesse Tharin From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: cd-rom question > I am running a board for a combined Mac/Apple II user group and it's > running on a Mac Plus with, among other things, an Apple CD-ROM drive > attached. Normally this drive holds a certain popular Mac PD files disk, > but I'd like to plug in an Apple CD a few days a week for the Apple II > callers. I can't get the drive (an Apple CD SC) to recognize the Apple II > CD platter. I don't want to run anything off the CD, just have it > available for it's files. The local dealer says I can't have it happen, > that the only way is to plug the drive into an Apple II and then transfer > files from the Apple II to the Mac, but then these guys are only guessing. > Has anyone here ever done such a thing? I know I'd have to generate a few > FSECs and semi-clone a few menus, buthow can I get to the files? > > Jesse Jesse, The drive will work on an Apple II provided you have a high speed SCSI card and a Special cable for the Apple II. Apple charges $50 more for the drive with Apple II compatability on the developer price list. You should be able to use this drive with an Apple II CD and the right parts. -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3556 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/16/91 at 02:11:06 To: Ralph Merritt From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: BBSCON! > by Jack Rickard, Editor Boardwatch Magazine > 1:104/555 > > FidoCon91, Commercialization, and The ONE BBSCON > > So - to the bottom line. Phil Becker and I did help the FidoCon91 > committee this year and we have effectively ended that relationship and > "broken" with the FidoCon91 committee of Terry Travis, Marshall Barry, > and Michelle for 1992. We are planning a grass-roots general BBS show > in Denver next August - tentatively August 13-16, 1992. We have no > > We are going to do a general BBS industry and networking trade show and > we're going to make it a relatively big one. And I have already > enlisted the aid of Jim Warren, the man who started the West Coast > Computer Fair that Tom Jennings referred to in the last FidoNews, as our > personal coach and mentor/advisor for matters regarding The ONE BBSCON. > I can't think of anyone better myself, I admire him immmensely (he also > founded Dr. Dobbs Journal and InfoWorld and hosted the Computers, > Freedom, and Privacy conference last March) and while he has no direct > involvement or material obligation to The ONE BBSCON, he has > enthusiastically agreed to advise and mentor as the official "kibitzer". > > Jack Rickard > Editor/Publisher, Boardwatch Magazine > President, ONE, Inc. > 1:104/555 Thanks for sharing this Ralph sounds like a killer BBS time. If it happens I'll be there! -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #3701 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 15:08:23 To: Michael Bean From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: RE:ff > FF1.5 is the current version... > > -Michael Thanks, what is added to it (from 1.04). Does it worth the trouble to update? And how one can get it? Thanks. -Joseph --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: "Call" 505 891-3840, A Call to ALL (V.32bis DS) (1:301/4) Msg. #3702 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 16:46:07 To: Scott Christensen From: Michael Folkes Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? SC> TB> * Origin: 4E 4F 54 20 45 56 45 4E 20 4F 44 44 (1:2603/204) SC> AH> 53 55 52 45 20 48 53 :} SC> SC> you mean "53 55 52 45 20 49 53" SC> ^ SC> I SC> SC> don't you? Want to translate that for us who can't translate hex in our heads? -Mike --- MacWoof Eval:17Aug91 * Origin: Mike's Point on Dear Theo- 510-275-9759 (1:161/703.3) Msg. #3703 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 07:43:45 To: Wendy Marchuck From: David Herren Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER When you un-arc the nodelists, be certain that you are NOT stripping line feeds or the nodecompile won't work. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #3704 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 07:45:52 To: Ralph Merritt From: David Herren Subject: Re: addition to the MacList He is running Second Sight and yes I will pass the nodelist to him. Thanks! -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #3705 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 17:35:28 To: Maria Langer From: David Herren Subject: Re: HC in events Did you ever get my response about Hypercard in an event? Did my suggestion work? -David PS. Maria, I trust your reserve opinion. I have been regularly skipping all messages that include MSDN. Now that you have played with it for a while do you think it's worth the time and money to get it going? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #3706 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 10:37:54 To: Bernard Aboba From: Mark Smith Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS BA> In any case, it is relatively easy to gauge the number of BA> Mac interested BBSes running on a PC by checking the BA> MacList, looking at SEENBY's, etc. At the time (1989) the BA> total was under 100; it is undoubtedly greater today. Bernard, would it be possible for you (or someone else) to calculate and post here the number of Mac oriented BBSs running on PCs today? I'm not entirely sure of the methodology you descrive to do that. Thanks. BTW, was your survey of "interested" PC sysops at this years FidoCon, or a previous one?? In any event, since I do have a complete Mac CD-ROM on a PC hard disk (11,500 files), I am now getting an incredible amount of interest from PC sysops who ask me if I can sell them "tapes" of the damn thing. Unfortunatly, I can't do that. --- MacWoof Eval:10Sep91 * Origin: (1:167/182.2) Msg. #3707 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 20:20:49 To: Maria Langer From: Scott Christensen Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Maria Langer writes in a message to Kenneth Grimard on 09 Sep 91 KG> Where does on get this utility? I could really use it. I do not KG> care for the node compiler. ML> From Chriss Koch. I'm sure someone will post his address here...I ML> don't seem to have it. AutoNodes is a Tabby event compatible utility which automatically updates the Fidonet nodelist and compiles the Tabby Nodes file. AutoNodes is $10. Send the money to: Chriss Koch 5325 Red Sky Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80915 Please specify whether you would like to receive AutoNodes as a file attachment to your BBS (if so include node number), or if you would like to receive it on floppy disk in the mail. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3708 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 20:21:27 To: Maria Langer From: Scott Christensen Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER Maria Langer writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 09 Sep 91 ML> Actually, I think he IS working on an update to AutoNodes... I keep hearing that... :-) --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3709 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 10:39:41 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Gregg Phillips Subject: RE>Macintosh Echo's Hi Joseph, Thank you for your thoughtful reply... JE> One way to do it is to establish a central system JE> where the echoes for Macintosh are all compiled JE> and kept updated. I think that we have that already established here, at least for Northern California with BMUG. The East Coast appears to be covered by Ralph Merritt. The information pertaining to these echo's that are available from these distribution points seems to be what is of issue? I don't think that I am speaking out of line when I say that BMUG is willing to keep an updated list pertaining to available Mac Echo's, my only concern is what we do with that list? Is it possible to attach an addendum to the already oversized FIDONET.NA list? Can we pass this around the MSDN network, and if so, will that reach ALL the Fidonet Mac Sysops? Seems to me that there has to be an easy solution to this problem but so far it is out of my grasp. JE> Another help for Macsysops and Mac echoes is to JE> find people who are willing to help Mac moderator JE> to put their echoes into bb. I am not sure that I understand this part of your response fully, but the part that I do understand is main thrust of what I am trying to do. -Gregg --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: <--] Byte Out of the Apple (707) 747-5406 [--> (1:161/508) Msg. #3710 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 01:26:13 To: Mark Smith From: Chip Old Subject: RE: POINT SOFTWARE In a reply to Kelly Schwarzhoff dated 10 Sep 91, you wrote: MS> BTW, I bought the first version of Copernicus ($40 I believe) and MS> if anyone is interested, it's now for sale. I never received an MS> upgrade notice or anything from those people! Some support :-( That's because no upgrade notices have been sent out yet. Registered users of the original Copernicus versions (1.00 or 1.02) will receive upgrade notices from Software Design as soon as the Copernicus II package is ready to ship, which should be before the end of this month. Those of us who are already using Copernicus II are doing so only because we are on its beta test team. The rest of you haven't been abandoned, there just isn't anything to upgrade to quite yet. I doubt that I'm telling you anything you don't already know, since the current status of Cop2 AND the reasons for its delay AND the way upgrades will be handled have been posted on all the major Mac echoes. If you DO upgrade to Cop2, I think you will be very pleased with it. Michael has done a first rate job of listening to and responding to Cop1 users' complaints and suggestions, resulting in a very smooth, very easy to use, and very capable program. If you go over to MacWoof, fine. It's a good program too, but at its current stage of development it is roughly comparable in terms of capabilities to the early Copernicus. It works differently, is smoother in some areas, rougher in others, but it doesn't do anything more. I'm sure it will continue to develop and improve as time goes on, just as Copernicus has. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: CRABBS Point 2, Cub Hill, Maryland, U.S.A. (1:261/1053.2) Msg. #3711 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 18:07:28 To: Eric Larson From: William Sommers Subject: Re: MAC CD ROMS > Speaking of Leo, he, or someone using his name called my BBS > a couple of months ago. Nice to see he still owns a modem. He's been doing his Sunday computer talk show for quite some time now -- really gets into it -- still got the bug, I guess. Ack!, with Vern moving in a few weeks, I'll become the final vestige of the original San Francisco Mac BBS scene. :-( --- Opus-CBCS 1.72a * Origin: Macademe/Emma San_Francisco 415-681-9594 HST/V32b (1:125/222.0) Msg. #3712 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 20:51:20 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Dennis Thieme Subject: RE: MSDN JE> What version is ff now? I have 1.41! Joseph, Latest version is 1.5. Dennis --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Shipping 9-91! Copernicus II 702-828-2929 8-6 PDT (1:213/777.1) Msg. #3713 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 20:55:18 To: John Gillett From: Dennis Thieme Subject: Re: MSDN Policy & de/compression JG> Actually, this discussion should be in MSDNSYSOP. Perhaps John, but I (for one) don't mind the discussion here, since I don't have MSDNSYSOP and am interested in the discussion and the outcome. Until such time as I have the disk space/modem speed/time available to me to consider assisting in MSDN, I would like to see general items of interest to all continue on in this forum (with the moderator's permission, of course). Dennis --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Shipping 9-91! Copernicus II 702-828-2929 8-6 PDT (1:213/777.1) Msg. #3714 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 20:58:26 To: Jesse Tharin From: Dennis Thieme Subject: RE: cd-rom question JT> I'd like to plug in an Apple CD a few days a week for the Apple II Jesse, I'm not sure about that answer, since I've never been able to find an Apple ][ CD to experiment with. Could you netmail me the info on the CD in question? As a thought toward solution to your problem, however, isn't the CD in one of the standard formats that the CD inits handle? If not, could [we] suggest to Apple that they implement some sort of cross reading init? Thanks, Dennis --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Shipping 9-91! Copernicus II 702-828-2929 8-6 PDT (1:213/777.1) Msg. #4075 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 18:47:21 To: Klaus Koehler From: Chris Silverberg Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS Klaus Koehler at 2:243/600 writes in a message ... KK> WHY? To spend a lot more money on telephone bills? I know that KK> almost every Macintosh-file-server on usenet stores the files KK> in hqx format, but I could not understand why. The files are KK> approx. 30% larger than in binary form. The reason you ask why is because you aren't a UNIX user :-). On UNIX, files are frequently send through mail. In fact, alot of people have no other way BESIDES mail to get files. Because they are sending files over the mail system, they MUST use 7bit Binhex format. As a UNIX user myself, it's not really a big deal for me. Online, I can grab a file from a site (like Apple for instance), and the files will transfer quite fast... probably in the range of 2000-3000+ cps (although I never timed it), and then I can convert the files to MacBinary format using a unix program called mcvert (much faster than doing it on my Mac), and then I download the files in their "natural" MacBinary format. - Chris --- COUNTERPoint 2.0b2 * Origin: You will be blown away... (1:322/115.1) Msg. #4076 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 18:47:23 To: Dennis Thieme From: Chris Silverberg Subject: RE: POINT SOFTWARE Dennis Thieme at 1:213/777.1 writes in a message ... DT> The only reason you haven't received an upgrade notice for Copernicus DT> II is because they (the upgrade notices) won't be mailed out DT> until around the end of this month. Gee, by that time there might be something even newer available... :-) --- COUNTERPoint 2.0b2 * Origin: You will be blown away... (1:322/115.1) Msg. #4083 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/17/91 at 14:31:28 To: Gregg Phillips From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: Re: RE>Macintosh Echo's > JE> A?er help for Macsysops and Mac echoes is to > JE> find people who are willing to help Mac moderator > JE> to put their echoes into bb. > > I am not sure that I understand this part of your response fully, but > the part that I do understand is main thrust of what I am trying to > do. > > -Gregg What I mean is that, if you are a moderator, does not that mean you also know how to put your echo into bb. Also you might not know how to deal with the Fido system, etc. I think some support can be very helpful for new moderator. So they do not have to learn by trial and error. Just a suggestion. -Joseph --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: "Call" 505 891-3840, A Call to ALL (V.32bis DS) (1:301/4) Msg. #4172 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 18:08:37 To: Gregg Phillips From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE>Proposal? GP> Hi Jason, Fancy meeting you here. ;) After all our recent talks on AOL I GP> would GP> be interested in hearing what you think of my idea that I posted GP> yesterday? Well, I like the ideas (which one zactly? The one that I'm being rather vague about until you say something, so I don't say anything accidentally first? I _love_ that one :-) ) jason --- MacWoof Eval:08Sep91 * Origin: *StarLine* - Philly's 1stClass Line to the Stars! (215 (1:273/922.6) Msg. #4173 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/12/91 at 09:39:23 To: Bill Reed From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER BR> I am anxious to hear how you make out with autonodes for a selfish BR> reason in that it intrigues me since the manual compiling is such BR> a pain. Since I don't have multiple lists to manipulate, it would BR> appear that Autonodes is a quick and easy fix. Let me know how it BR> goes. Sorry to butt in, but again I have to rave about AutoNodes. I HATED manually compiling the nodelist each week. First open it, then compile it. It took time -- at least 10 minutes or so. AutoNodes does all this automatically (automagically, as Chriss would say). Put it into a Tabby event chain and don't worry about it. It gives you options on saving or deleting the nodediffs. And since I have it run in part of my ZMH event, I never see it work. I was skeptical, too, but now I admit that it was among the best $10 I spent on Tabby utilities. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #4174 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 20:57:53 To: All From: Michael Folkes Subject: FC Hi, Can anyone tell me anything about First Class(what it can do), and how much it costs? -Mike --- MacWoof Eval:17Aug91 * Origin: Mike's Point on Dear Theo- 510-275-9759 (1:161/703.3) Msg. #4175 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 23:53:30 To: Klaus Koehler From: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: MAC CD ROMS >Why? That's a good question. I know that UNIX before version 3 had trouble transmiting binary data back and forth; contrl-D would log you off, for example. Obviously, that's been fixed since; you can use zmodem to get a MacBinaried file back and forth to a UNIX machine. And I know that ftp has an 8 bit mode that is supposed to preserve the 8th bit across transfer. Frankly, I don't understand this either; there is nothing in TCP/IP that I know of that should require parity. But somehow I guess that some systems were dropping that seventh bit. Does that make any sense? If you are right that there is no legitimate reason to use .HQX format with modern UNIX systems, then that would be great. Has anyone mounted an ISO disk under UNIX? How does the file system translate this, assuming it's in DOS directory format? Are there utilities that do this for UNIX? --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: The BMUG BBS -- Akbar & Jeff's Modem Hut (1:161/444) Msg. #4176 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 08:56:33 To: Mark Smith From: Bernard Aboba Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS >How can I find out which Mac BBSes run on PC's? Here is a suggestion. Others will probably improve upon it: 1. Look at the MacLIST. If a node supports WAZOO, it probably means that it's a PC based BBS. 2. Check your guesses against the * ORIGIN line. Usually the BBS type is indicated there. You asked when I surveyed FidoCon. It was 1989, two years ago. This year's event was HUGE in comparison, the largest ever by a large margin. There will be a similar gathering in Denver never year as well. Probably a good place for you to market your CD. I hope you are also putting together PC Board, TBBS, OPUS and RA directories for your CD. If you want to talk further, send me netmail. --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: BMUG Mail Hub HST apple!bmug (510) 849-BMUG (1:161/445.0) Msg. #4177 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 08:41:25 To: All From: Dennis Richards Subject: NodeList Compiling I've seen a recent batch of messages concerning the troubles that a lot of people are having with the processing of the nodediff. I've got the same problem. For several weeks now I've had a crazy time trying to get the compiler to work but keep getting the message "Incorrect Combination" or "Can't open Nodelist". Have tried getting a fresh list from my feed(a _big_ file) and new copies of the NodeCompiler but no sucess. I recently heard from somewhere-or-other that the format of Zipped files from DOS machines has changed.If this is true would it affect Nodecompiler's ability to update the list ? All I know is that I have an OLD nodelist and can't think of any way to update. Michael,are you out there ? :-) --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Daily_ Planet_Mac (1:259/108) Msg. #4178 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 13:43:39 To: All From: Wendy Marchuck Subject: ECHOMAC Hello everyone. I am seeking a board that I can get ECHOMAC from. How it works in Net 120 where I am (Detroit area) is that we all chip in $5 a month and the NEC brings in the echos for us. Well due to a lack of interest from other sysops, my request for NEC to bring ECHOMAC in for me has been denied. Is there anyone in the Ohio/Illinois/Indiana area that would allow me to get ECHOMAC from them? Thanks! -wendy --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MotorCityMacUserGroup/MacMania BBS (313)278-8578 (1:120/282) Msg. #4179 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 13:20:05 To: Michael Bean From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS That would be great! I have bbs in a box II but at this time all I can do is upload the best of it to my bbs via hardwire which is quite time consuming! are there plans to keep the adobe screen font section current in future releases? matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #4180 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/17/91 at 23:29:02 To: Noel Gouveia From: Ralph Merritt Subject: addition to the MacList > I'd also be interested in getting on the MacList. If this isn't the > appropriate forum, could you send me a netmail explaining procedures > or leave an address for me? Running Tabby on a Second Sight bb. > > Thanks... > -Noel > > --- Tabby 2.2 > * Origin: The Graphics Factory -Braintree, MA (617)849-0347 (1:101/640) Inquires about MACLIST are welcome here... you'll be node 6:6002/9 in the next MACLIST, which will be MACLIST.263 issued this Friday. Your net host is Zeff Wheelock on 1:101/450. You can get in touch with him regarding getting the weekly list (Zeff has MacTick so he can distribute it automagically). Thanks for your interest! Ralph --- * Origin: Dragon's MailBox (1:269/111) Msg. #4415 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/18/91 at 18:12:01 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Michael Bean Subject: RE:ff > > > FF1.5 is the current version... > > > > -Michael > > Thanks, what is added to it (from 1.04). Does it worth the trouble to > update? And how one can get it? Thanks. > > -Joseph > Version History Versions prior to 1.1 used a file called EMSx.New to send messages to points. This file is recognized and translated by Copernicus, but it's not recognized by other point software. This obviously limited the use of ff to RRH/SS boards supporting only Copernicus points. 1.4 6/16/90 No longer uses message numbers to keep its place. Instead, uses flag set by TExport to find messages which have not yet been processed. This simplifies setup and eliminates problems with utilities which renumber messages. 1.41 6/23/90 ff was truncating addresses by one character, causing much strangeness. Fixed. 1.42 12/8/90 Jesse Tharin pointed out that ff was oblivious to Tabby passwords. Thanks, Jesse. 1.43 12/28/90 Jesse Tharin found another password bug. Thanks again, Jesse. 1.45 1/26/91 Found and fixed a longstanding bug which garbled addresses on messages from points. Also eliminated double ff signature lines. 1.46 1/31/91 Removed option to not delete sent NetMail. Although this worked, ff would continually reprocess NetMail if the option was set. For a brief mad moment I had ff mark NetMail as processed regardless of delete setting, so it wouldn't repeatedly send out the same messages but this introduced another unpleasant side effect: ff might cause TExport to miss exporting some messages. Sigh. It's out. (This option was added with unreleased version 1.44 but never documented). 1.49 7/14/91 Fixed longstanding problem with ff finding its place in the MSGHDR file -- this accounted for occasional non-forwarded messages. 1.5 7/18/91 Fixed problem with origin node ID & added color icons. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The latest version of ff can be obtained in two ways: 1> Send me a blank disk and a self-addressed stamped envelope and I'll send you a copy of the newest ff. 2> File request "ff" from either 102/863 or 128/46 with a password of "NewNew". In addition to that password, you'll need to use the password "ffPlus" to unstuff the file. (Note -- the quotes on the passwords are not part of the passwords.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Pete Johnson PETERJ on GEnie Glassell Park BBS 213-254-4133 Post Office Box 65074 Los Angeles, CA 90065 Dec. 28, 1990 --- Copernicus V1.00 Msg. #4447 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/20/91 at 00:31:23 To: Matthew De Jongh From: Michael Bean Subject: RE: MAC CD ROMS > That would be great! > > I have bbs in a box II but at this time all I can do is upload the best of > it to my bbs via hardwire which is quite time consuming! > > are there plans to keep the adobe screen font section current in future > releases? Yes, we have licensed from Adobe the ability to redistribute their screen fonts. Many of which on Volume II have not been released yet. Every 6 months Adobe will update us for the next volume.... pretty cool! -Michael --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Arizona Macintosh Users Group, (602) 495-1713 (1:114/56.1) Msg. #4594 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 07:09:35 To: Mark Toland From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: Hermes sysop? In a message to Chip Old writen on Saturday, September 14, 1991 at 1:22:15 AM, Mark Toland writes: MT>> TB> * Origin: 4E 4F 54 20 45 56 45 4E 20 4F 44 44 (1:2603/204) MT>> CO> 53 61 79 20 57 48 41 54 3F 20 20 4D 61 6E 2C 20 74 61 6C 6B 20 MT>>53 61 79 20 57 48 41 54 3F 20 20 4D 61 6E 2C 20 74 61 6C 6B 20 61 62 6F 75 MT>>74 What is this cr*p?? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: So many messages...so little time! (1:101/270) Msg. #4595 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 17:49:49 To: All From: Bruce Selzler @ 911-211 Subject: USR DS/HST - Second Sight/Tabby I am using a USR DS/HST modem on a MacPlus with Second Sight 2.1 and Tabby 2.2. Users calling my board only seem to be able to connect at 1200,2400, and 9600. Whenever someone calls, or I call my host via Tabby, at 14.4 the modems connect properly but neither of the program (SS or Tabby) respond to the connection. Tabby acts like no connection was made, and SS continually recycles the "press carraige return to begin" message. Has anyone had an experience like this and is there a solution? I sure hope so, 9600 is fine but I would like to go a bit faster if possible. And yes, the problems are with other USR DS/HST's not some other brand of modem. Any help in this area would be appreciated. Thanks. --- Tabby 2.2 # Origin: Valhalla-MacPlus of the Gods! 714-798-4709 DS/HST (8:911/211) * Origin: Gateway System to/from RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) Msg. #4596 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 07:31:27 To: John Gillett From: Jim Redelfs Subject: RE: TABBY NODE COMPILER In a reply to Wendy Marchuck, John Gillett wrote: WM> Can someone tell me step by step what they do when they run Node WM> Compiler? Maybe this will help me find my problem. I'm doing WM> something wrong, but can't figure out what it is. Thanks, -wendy [deleted] > 3. Run the compiler to UPDATE the nodeLIST you now have. Be sure to > follow the prompts to select the correct file at the right time. > > 4. QUIT the compiler immediately after the update (compiler bug). > > 5. Launch the compiler again and COMPILE the new nodeLIST for this week. Just curious, John: I've not used the "quit then restart" procedure, but all seems to work for me. It the "compiler bug" in the docs? JR --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacNet Omaha (402) 289-2899 - O.M.U.G. On-Line (1:285/14) Msg. #4597 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 12:48:47 To: All From: J.D. Rhoads Subject: have you heard of vanilla Fudge? A user that has tried to hack my Board in Omaha, Universal BBS, about 3 times... he always knows someones password from I guess another BBS? But anyway he makes there acount his and gains access slowly not bieng obvois. Then he Uploads Viruses that you can't run because they are for IBM or Amiga or someothe rcomputer.. Then he just does every thing in his power to get his own sub File Dir. etc... This man/boy/baby can be a threat. Becarful! --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacNet Omaha (402) 289-2899 - O.M.U.G. On-Line (1:285/14) Msg. #4598 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/13/91 at 10:51:26 To: Dennis Thieme From: Mark Smith Subject: RE: POINT SOFTWARE DT> The only reason you haven't received an upgrade notice for DT> Copernicus II is because they (the upgrade notices) won't DT> be mailed out until around the end of this month. Much obliged Dennis. In which case, if it does appear here in a reasonable amount of time, I may just upgrade it. I have serious addiction to software and routinely buy and upgrade software I often don't have anytime to even try out.... just in case that one day or time appears when I *do* need it :-) I run a Mac consulting and programming business (well, I try to anyway) and I operate MAC-LINK on a DOS based machine. Last year I made a serious attempt to catalog all of the Mac and DOS software I had either bought or registered. I have an approximate inventory of $8,000 in bought and registered software, and that figure does not include upgrade fees (and buy now most packages have been upgraded 2 or 3 times). This is all since 1985 when I got into this crazy business. However, it is virtually impossible for me to be able to track what version are current, what software needs upgrading and when, unless I get upgrade notices. --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: MAC-LINK: Montreal, Quebec (514) 935-1652 TBBS/HST (1:167/182) Msg. #4599 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 08:17:52 To: Michael Bean From: Maria Langer Subject: Re: MSDN Policy (part 3) Duncan, correct me if I'm wrong: One of the purposes of MSDN is to promote Shareware. Right? If so, Michael, it then follows that supporting a non-shareware compression scheme (Disk Doubler or StuffIt Deluxe or SuperDisk) would NOT be in line with MSDN's intention of supporting shareware. That's the logic I see behind the policy statement regarding acceptable compression schemes. And PLEASE don't try to draw me into another Disk Doubler vs Compact Pro vs StuffIt Deluxe conversation. As we should all know by now, that is an enormous waste of bandwidth. Certain people (myself included) won't be convinced that certain packages are better than the ones they favor. The debate grows really old really fast. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Sharpening Up for More (1:269/316.1) Msg. #4600 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/16/91 at 22:28:43 To: Maria Langer From: Ralph Merritt Subject: MSDN Policy (part 3) > As we should all know by now, that is an enormous waste of bandwidth. > Certain people (myself included) won't be convinced that certain > packages are better than the ones they favor. The debate grows really > old really fast. I would tend to put compression programs in the same category as politics and religion ... ;-) --- * Origin: Dragon's MailBox (1:269/111) Msg. #4601 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 08:02:41 To: William Sommers From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: RE: PR MATERIALS William Sommers writes in a message to Matthew De Jongh on 9 Sep 91 > I am also ordering two video tapes from this years fido con, > "How to make your bbs support itself" and "how to promote and > advertise your online service" WS> Jack Rickard productions, I assume. ;-) William - Actually, "Terry Travis Productions." Got the poop straight from him, on the eSoft support BBS. My two copies are ordered, and I hope winging their way here! <B-) RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #4602 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/14/91 at 08:09:38 To: Ken Hancock From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: Hermes sysop? Ken Hancock writes in a message to Ralph Wade Phillips on 10 Sep 91 RW> > Phil Becker has done quite extensive testing. According RW> > to his findings, we can get 960 cps with YModem-G, and 955 or RW> > so with ZModem-90, on a 9600 bps direct link RW> EL> Given the fact that most people are using modem buffers at high RW> EL> speeds, a transmitter speed difference of 0.5% is sort of irrelavent.KH> I'm doing even better than that when connecting at V.42bis. KH> At V.32/42bis connections with YMODEM-G, I've been getting 1025-1050 KH> cps with ZTerm-TBBS connections. Unfortunately, I really can't KH> compare it against ZModem as TBBS doesn't have support for it KH> yet. Ken - Hang on! Phil Becker (main author of TBBS, along with a cast of at least five more) is still pushing to start shipping the week of September 16, 1991. Currently, the only hangup will be the disk duplicators and the printers (unless one more nasty bug is found in beta testing - only the support board has a complete build, although all the betas were supposed to go complete by the end of this week ... ) You will be pleasantly surprised with ZModem and ZTerm with TBBS, on anything faster than a Macintosh SE (even the SE is nice - I get 100% efficiency with it, as opposed to YModem efficieny of 92%!) RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3987 in *MACSYSOP* Posted on 09/15/91 at 13:14:17 To: Dennis Thieme From: Garner Miller Subject: Proverbs... DT> Chinese Proverb: Poverty is inconvenient. Try to avoid it. I'm a sysop. It's not possible. <grin> --- MacWoof Eval:07Sep91 * Origin: Roxanna Troi Fan Club = 703/264-1104 (1:109/328.715)